America Haters

[Conan]

Speaking from Australias minor part in the coming world war, we have nothing to lose by backing America, they have always stood by us and we by them, because we are basically the same in a lot of ways, so it is natural whether the cause is right or wrong for similar cultures to band together if they are being threatened.
I make no accusations or offer apologys for Americas covert actions since Teddy Roosevelt to now in world affairs, everything is done for a reason.
In the coming years you will experience what your ancestors went through in WW2.

[The Fyrdman]

That doesn't mean its right, and that doesn't mean we as the public shouldn't do everything we can to stop it happening again.

However I do agree another world war is on the way. Another Imperial age is coming into fruition, which just means another violent collapse. Lets just everyone learns their lessons this time, rather than a certain WASP nation bankrupting britain before it would help, demanding all our atomic energy secrets or stop protecting our food supplies over the atlantic, or waiting untill the enemy was on the verge of economic collapse before coming to Europe.

But this time, where is the other superpowers? Before their was the USA, USSR, GB, Germany and Japan. This time there is only the USA. This time its going to be the USA (government, not all the people of the USA you finnicky arguers) versus the people of the world, demanding their freedom from the yoke of corporations, SUV's and mcdonalds.

[fedfem]

On its way? I would say it has started.

[The Fyrdman]

Well yes perhaps it has. World War II really began in world war 1, or even earlier perhaps. But for a WWIII, there has to actually be somebody opposing the superpower. Untill there is some sort of organisation between the people of the world to oppose US aggression, there'll be no real war. Massacre and oppression perhaps, but no war.

[fedfem]

What is "war" in your opinion? Perhaps that should be a debate topic in itself.

[Conan]

I think what is coming and is already here, is basically just a total collapse in World affairs, wars are just going to be part of it, you can get out there in the street and scream protests and blame everything and everyone for the mess we are in untill your hoarse, but it won't do anything good, if anything you will just make a juicy target.

[The Fyrdman]

Well if this is true, now is the time to tool up and organise the revolution.

[Conan]

The revolution?
I trust you mean we overthrow all western governments, set up Communist ones in their place, and then all join up together to fight Islamic fundementalist nations?

Or maybe we all just lie around in the parks of the no longer functioning cities after the revolution (that you will bravely be in the frontline of I take it), and smoke Dope, and hope those nasty fundementalists don't ever come over.

[fedfem]

I think the fight should be against extremism of any stripe; religious, political, economic, etc...

All wars are based on one or more of the above.

[Sodfather]

So, I'll take this as a sign that you guys aren't mature enough to stay on topic?

It went from my topic to smoking ganja in abandoned cities...What the hell? :(

[Conan]

Originally posted by fedfem@Aug 31 2003, 11:30 PM
I think the fight should be against extremism of any stripe; religious, political, economic, etc...

All wars are based on one or more of the above.

Don't you think fighting all your
above reasons for war is a touch extreme?
I mean even if the whole present world order collapsed, in its place would not be peace as you as we all do wish, there would be utter chaos on an order of magnitude that would make the fall of the Roman Empire look pretty damn small.
Then naturally as always new powers would emerge and they would pretty much do as they damn well please.

[fedfem]

Originally posted by Fallen Angel@Sep 1 2003, 12:17 AM
Don't you think fighting all your
above reasons for war is a touch extreme?

Not at all. How is defending ourselves extreme?

Of course, my weapon of choice would be education.