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    I just found something ironic.
    As hypocritical as this is, why are we focusing on Christians. Why is it always the Christian topics that are posted? When certain governments prosecute Christians (I can't say where in case said government looks at my internet posts, but look at where I'm from for a hint) by imprisoning Church heads and even those with more then one Bible. But that never makes it to the thread. The Netherlands ban the burqa (the veil Islamic woman wear). And that wasn't due to Christianity as the Netherlands is one of the more secular countries in the world.

    I'm not complaining (too much) I'm just asking, why Christianity?

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    But, on the other hand, they didn't invite you to do so. The Baptists in the example did invite 'all faiths' to participate.

    Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-te?
    har, no kidding they didn't invite Christians.
    The Baptists are at least allowing them on the property, just as long as they don't practice their faith (which is dumb, but still)

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    If I gave someone permission to make a holiday display on my property, then rejected them after I found out it was a satanic display well that my concern. Its MY property.

    People are sticking their noses where it doesn't belong here. Private property belonging to the church. Means the church can decide what goes on inside their property.

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    Quote Quote by: Winter wind View Post
    I just found something ironic.
    As hypocritical as this is, why are we focusing on Christians.
    Another common and really bad point that theists seem to keep harping on.

    Theists are all the same. I don't distinguish between a Christian and Muslim. Faith has made all theists absurd thinkers.

    And then again most posters live in America in which most Americans are Christians. In which case, most posters on this messageboard are Christians.

    Now I would like to really know where you are getting at with those questions.

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    Then why don't they pay property tax like every other private property owner? And again, who owns the property, god, the congregation, the ministers, the denomination? Who gets to say what the property is used for?
    Anyway, none of that rationalizing excuses their obviously contradictory statements.



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    Theists are all the same. I don't distinguish between a Christian and Muslim. Faith has made all theists absurd thinkers.
    aww, absurd? I'm touched. Normally delusional is the term used.

    You may not distiguish yet Christian topics comes up 9/10 times more then any other.

    And then again most posters live in America in which most Americans are Christians. In which case, most posters on this messageboard are Christians.
    Go figure...

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    Quote Quote by: Winter wind View Post
    Christian topics comes up 9/10 times more then any other.
    It must be because the Christian faith is the trufff...The evil demons are scared of the holy Christians, therefore, try as hard as possible to disprove their faith....

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    Quote Quote by: Isherwood View Post
    Anyway, none of that rationalizing excuses their obviously contradictory statements.
    What is contradictory? A church where believers in a certain branch of faith do not allow displays of another branch of faith.

    There is nothing wrong here except to much attention to the actions of the church.

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    Quote Quote by: Winter wind View Post
    Woah there. I'm on your side. But I'm saying, if they want to complain about Christians, there missing out on the good stuff.

    As to your first thing, I agree, but it isn't good just be be equal. It would be that much cooler to be the "better man." So Christians look that much more tolerant. Not to say Muslims are not, but they certainly don't draw the same kind of fire that Christians do on this site.
    I was wondering. I'm sure you'll find that those points are made elsewhere. Perhaps our friends have decided to do something a little less overdone this time.

    Being the better man is fine. But as I said before, I think they would view having a Muslim service in their church as a desecration. There's really not a lot of wiggle room there.


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    Quote Quote by: Isherwood View Post
    If god supposedly resides in his people, what does it matter what happens on the property? Or is this another example of "my father's house", where Jesus reportedly implied his father owned property?

    To those of us not interested in excusing their decision, this incident is revealing of both their intolerance of the other faiths they say they welcome and their confusion over who owns the property. Is it god's, the member's who paid for it, the leaders who enjoy its benefits?
    Well, I kinda hinted at that first point earlier. But you can't fault them for making a decision based on their belief. Technically, in the OT, the Temple was supposed to be God's dwelling place, but at the crucifixion, the veil separating God from the people was torn down as God came to live within the people that are His. This was finalized at Pentecost.

    They welcome the individuals: not the practice of the religion. And regardless of supposed ownership, I believe that all of the above would object to what these people planned, rendering the point moot.


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    Funny that you think two wrongs make a right.


    Of course there are good people and of course there are bad people in this world.
    How exactly does that support your point of view? What do you think every atheist is arguing about? It is obvious that you don't understand the arguments.

    You think your religion gives you morals and some type of purpose in life, but it doesn't. You give your own personal purpose in life. God and religion have nothing to do with it. That is exactly why some humans are good and some are bad, it is all subjective personal interests that have nothing to do with jesus, demons, gods, angels, spirits and whatever magical stuff you think is real. You theists are all the same, yet strangely disagree with each other. Of course you even have some theists claiming they are all the same, but alas it can all be explained by each persons personal interests. But for some reason theists can't seem to understand that.
    No, I don't think two wrongs make a right. But I do respect the taboos of other faiths and would optimistically hope that they would return the favor.

    I really should make an index of things that I have to repeat myself on. High on the list would be: Funny how people like you assume that everyone that disagrees with them simply doesn't understand the question.

    Well, that's my business, isn't it? Index of things I always end up repeating myself on instance #2: All faiths are not equal, although many atheists would like to think of them that way because it's easier, lazier, and less conducive to cognitive dissonance.


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    Quote Quote by: gallo View Post
    But, on the other hand, they didn't invite you to do so. The Baptists in the example did invite 'all faiths' to participate.

    Can you spell h-y-p-o-c-r-i-te?
    No, they didn't. I think you need to look at the article again. The Baptists weren't putting on the shindig. They were just renting out the property.


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