what makes it so obvious? is there some historical example you can cite that would persuasively show how the iranian leadership are suicidal? in order for them to launch an offensive nuclear attack, they'd need to be suicidal after all...Quote by: dieval
no, it wasn't clear. dival used the word "dictator", which is a singular term. iran is ruled by a group of theocrats - i.e. more than one person..Quote by: ruksak
Its not so much that Iranian leaders are suicidal (we can probably chalk up that hidden Iman stuff to domestic propaganda), but that they can use their weaponry to project power to achieve their ends in ways in which their support of terrorism has failed.
Is Egypt interested in nukes defend themselves against the USA? No. How about Saudi Arabia (there have been stories that Riyadh may be interested)? No. Its because they know what Iran is up to and what they want to do. And the United States is looking like it doesn't have the same resolve against the menace in their neck of the woods as it did in Europe.
If they were to pass on a nuclear weapon to a terrorist organization they support(Hizballah, or possibly al qeada) the results would be devistating.
As I said before, recent history has examples of mentally unstable tyrants owning nuclear weapons (Mao and Stalin). Deterrence worked to contain them. It will work with a far weaker Iran also.
i'm not interested in debating these "what-if" scenarios. let's get something more grounded in unemotional logic instead of repeating the same line of thinking that landed us deep in iraq.
I don't really care if the Middle East has Nuclear power plants. It seems that they are walking into the Future and America is holding them back. Kinda like a deadweight strapped to the neck of a mule.
Mind you, I suppose a corrupted Dictator will appear eventually, and then BOOM.
Man, is that two-minded or what?
You must obey the law, always, not only when they grab you by your special place.
You both completely missed the point and didn't even respond with a proper comment.Quote by: Dieval
Ruksak, I wasn't talking about hostage taking and interrogation in the quote you used, I was talking about Hostage taking and Hostage taking. And regardless if Iraq is a war zone, hostage taking is still hostage taking. The same torture you're talking about from the Iran incident is nowhere in comparison of a military theatening the lives of your family if you don't turn yourself in..... you best get your priorities straight, because no matter how you try and defend it, or twist it... he still held that officers family hostage.
Dieval, your reasoning for protection of additional US troops is a load of horse crap and peanuts. Trying to defend hostage taking by any standards is hypocritical to your so-called War on Terrorism, and there is no justicfication to hold innocent family members captive and threaten their father/husband to turn themselves into the enemy.... it's cheap, it's low, it's pathetic. You guys always boast having the best military in the world, so act like you are and stop acting like petty thugs.
Oh and what was the rationale behind the Iran incident? CAN'T YOU BOTHER TO READ? I just supplied you information as to why.... stop wasting my time. You're country was imposing democratic assemilation on their country, where they didn't want it..... you backed an overthrow with your CIA, they took over your people they could not trust, and for good reason, you guys tried to make a rescue attempt and failed miserably.... I'm not defending their actions from 28 some odd years ago by people who are not in the current scene, but I sure as hell am not defending your country's similar actions, and I sure as hell ain't accepting those lame excuses for your hostage taking.
I call it hostage taking? You're damn right I do, it's by the very definition.
Now could we possibly get abck to Egypt perhaps?
On the other hand, when militant STUDENTS decided to take 52(FIFTY TWO, actually it was more, but they let some go) people hostage for OVER A YEAR...holding them in solitary for MONTHS at a time, etc, etc...not quite the same story, is it? :rolleyes: