America needs Big Government.

[Technosoul]

Without big government you might as toss the Consitution into the trash can because you no longer would have anyone to see to it that those rights are being conformed too and enforced. As it is some of the enforcement departments are underfunded and short handed.

Without big government everything would have to be done by private companies, this would mean that the wealthy few, the big corperations, would be in charge and you would end up being subjected to their demands.

No more "free" education, fire departments, police departments, emergency rooms, highways, military, etc.

The corperate news media would air stories paid for by the wealthy few, and the unions would be smashed along with safety standards for workers.

This can also happen if you allow the private corperations to control the government.

Big government is for the average people, the poor up to the middle class working people. If and when the political people elected are pro the people and not in the pockets of the corperate dictators.

So don't let those "stuck in a rut" voting habits fool you. Stop the movement by big corperations to take over our country.

[Autolykos]

Without big government you might as toss the Consitution into the trash can because you no longer would have anyone to see to it that those rights are being conformed too and enforced.

I suggest reading the 9th and 10th Amendments. Translation: Not all rights need be enforced on the national level.

As it is some of the enforcement departments are underfunded and short handed.

As Wikipedia would say, citation (or explanation) needed.

Without big government everything would have to be done by private companies,

Close! Change "companies" to the more general "organizations" and you would be spot-on. (I.e., not all private organizations are for-profit.)

this would mean that the wealthy few, the big corperations, would be in charge and you would end up being subjected to their demands.

I think you need to be more explicit with your reasoning here. Translation: Non sequitur (logic) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

No more "free" education, fire departments, police departments, emergency rooms, highways, military, etc.

At least you put "free" in quotes, which means (hopefully) that you understand these things are not actually free at all. So what difference does it make? We pay for services one way or another.

The corperate news media would air stories paid for by the wealthy few, and the unions would be smashed along with safety standards for workers.

The first part is already here "in spite of" government. As for the second part, it smells like a non-sequitur to me (in relation to the first).

This can also happen if you allow the private corperations to control the government.

Of course, that depends on how you define "control".

Big government is for the average people, the poor up to the middle class working people. If and when the political people elected are pro the people and not in the pockets of the corperate dictators.

Ironically enough, right now we have the biggest government and the most corporate involvement in government! Doesn't that kinda invalidate your hypothesis?

So don't let those "stuck in a rut" voting habits fool you. Stop the movement by big corperations to take over our country.

"Movement"? Hell, by your standards, they already have.

- Rob

[ZNFYRH]

I would change the topic to read "Americans need Big Government."

Most Americans seem unable to take the effort to think for themselves and participate in government.

[bishop]

Without big government you might as toss the Consitution into the trash can because you no longer would have anyone to see to it that those rights are being conformed too and enforced.

big government is the entity that is tossing the constitution into the trash. domestic spying (going back to the FBI's origination), anti-gun laws, mandated racial quotas, foreign welfare/aid, etc..

No more "free" education, fire departments, police departments, emergency rooms, highways, military, etc.

none of these services are remotely free. and if you look into the details of how each public service is funded, you will see loads of waste - at the taxpayer's expense. moreover, federal red tape makes much of these services much more expensive - especially healthcare.

The corperate news media would air stories paid for by the wealthy few, and the unions would be smashed along with safety standards for workers.

this already happens. the media labeled the WTO protestors in seattle as deviants even though there were only a few who caused trouble. the media also chose not to show footage of cops beating protestors and hosing them down with CS spray..

Big government is for the average people, the poor up to the middle class working people.

big government is for people who want their nanny to take care of them for fear of taking life's reigns in their own hands.

So don't let those "stuck in a rut" voting habits fool you. Stop the movement by big corperations to take over our country.

and stop this by voting against establishment candidates who have deep roots into all of the country's big corporations.


personally, i think america needs more educated and informed people....

[bishop]

Most Americans seem unable to take the effort to think for themselves and participate in government.

good point, and agreed.

roughly half of the country even bothers to vote - and i have a feeling that the other half are only informed insofar as what they've watched on CNN, fox, etc...

[Osborn F Enready]

Sheeple need big government.

The American people need to find their spine and re-discover their individualism.

Regardless of what the sheeple want, many of the "remaining" Americans out here who know where their spine is won't be surrendering, so pack a "big" lunch for your "big" brother.

[Gods_Mercenary]

You can have fire departments and police departments without big Government as it is today. You can even have a more than adequate militay, if the people are willing to sacrafice in time of war. A better title would be "America wants Big Govt."

[Technosoul]

I would change the topic to read "Americans need Big Government."

Most Americans seem unable to take the effort to think for themselves and participate in government.

It is true that many Americans let Ron Paul or one of the other canadates do their thinking for them. Back in the 1960s and early 1970s
Timothy Leary started a movement to "think for yourself" which was also anti-establishment and anti-government. His basic phiilosophy was pretty cool but the motive behind it was questionable.

Thinking for your self does is not dependant upon voting. But both private corperations and the government feels that taking action on what you think about must be regulated and controlled.

Thinking, and even speaking your mind, is tolerated for the most part, it is the "action for your self" part that comes into question when others think that such actions are in need of being controlled or modified.

Participation in government by voting is an attempt to make everyone else think as you think, or else, off to jail they go. No matter if you think for your self or have someone like Ron think it for you.

That results in groups fomulating and peer pressure to join the party.
And to think along party lines.

And so that leads me to the next brain stopper - should big government be anti- big government and therefore self distruct? And what does that leave us with - corperations in the private sector whom we are depandant upon (most Americans) for our daily bread. Would not the corperate dictators support the idea of less government for that reason? So they can have the throne?

The problem is not big government, the problem is big private corperations and their "all eggs in one basket" monopoly of the system. To have an effective government that is responsive to the participating voters you must first sub-divide big businesses into smaller businesses that operate in a competitive market.

We cannot have two masters.

Which reminds me, I cannot afford to pay my phone bill this month and so my internet connection might get cut off at any moment, so if I do not respond for a few weeks, that is why.

That could hamper my constiutional right for free speech?

[ZNFYRH]

That could hamper my constiutional right for free speech?

Some would tell you that because your right to free speech is being infringed upon (dictating a way you can't exercise it) then you have a case. But this isn't the thread for that question.

[Clarence]

yes the minimum gov't required, operating at an acceptable level, would still be a very 'big' gov't.

[Autolykos]

Technosoul, I would appreciate a response to my post in this thread. If, after one week, you have not responded, I will conclude that you are not actually interested in debating the subject of this thread. Thanks in advance.

- Rob

[Technosoul]

You can have fire departments and police departments without big Government as it is today. You can even have a more than adequate militay, if the people are willing to sacrafice in time of war. A better title would be "America wants Big Govt."

Sorry, the title stands as is.

"what? your house is on fire with the baby inside, okay, let us run a credit check on you before our private company can put out your fire for you'.... stand by please.,... oops, sorry but you were not approved".