The for REAL God.

[Technosoul]

Although events happening within the universe are concidered to be natural they are none the less supernatural compared to our human abilties.

We are powerless when it comes to hurricanes and many of the other forces that can happen, such as earthquakes, and so forth. Compared to us those events are supernatural because we cannot do the same with our limited powers, although we are coming close due to nuclear power. But in the olden days such was not the case. Relative to us the forces of nature are superpowers, the gods that can bless us or that can distroy us with a kind of wrath. Even if "thinking" is not part of the wrath, it none the less has the same effect.

The forces of the universe created earth, and caused life to happen here.
This is the heavenly father of earth and life here-in.

The sun, the waters, the soils, and the air all combined together with energy to produce life, and consciousness.

One would not even need to call this a theory or to get the idea peer reviewed because it is so self-evident, and yet it could be confirmed by science and likewise by primitive belief systems.

Kingdoms and human progress were due to rivers that allowed for us to farm and to remain in one place.

I cannot imagine how anyone could debate that this is not so.

[Alive]

Supernatural = super natural; i.e, greater than natural. Hurricanes are natural. Earthquakes are natural. So no, they aren't supernatural. :)

[sdbest]

Although events happening within the universe are concidered to be natural they are none the less supernatural compared to our human abilties.

You'll need to look up the definition of supernatural if you want to understand that your argument may need to be restated.

Regards
S.

[Kuldeep]

Something is missing, Techno ! I too look as Alive looke at earthquaakes or hurricane or rain fall, floods or lightening and put allthat is conceivable as Natural only. I do not agree with you that anything which is within the capability of HUMANS only is natural.

The sun, the waters, the soils, and the air all combined together with energy to produce life, and consciousness.

This is purely an imaginary statement.The sun, the waters, the soils, and the air all combined together with energy ONLY SEEMS to produce life, and consciousness. Even the fore runner of understanding topmost world biologists are not aware how Life or Consciousness is formed. The "Life or Consciousness" portion of your post is definitely supernatural.

[Technosoul]

Some of the modern definitions are clearly wrong.

You have natural and super natural. Both are natural only one is more powerful then the other. Or greater in some respect.

Like if you go to buy a hamburger, you can order a normal hamburger or a supersized hamburger - both are hamburgers.

You have natural events and super natural events. It's a matter of relativity.

But the idea that a supernatural is un-natural is contradictive. No one can come close to presenting sound evidence of a superUnnatural but it is easy to present evidence of supernatural forces as compared to the norms of what is (also) natural.

A superstorm is the same as a storm but more intense. Still a storm.

The ancients viewed superstorms, volcanos, floods, and a number of other natural events as being the forces of their god, and as god. The thunder was viewed as the voice of god. I could make a very very long list of such references.

At some point in history the religions created more abstract definitions for a god that is seperate from nature and reality as we know it. Those newer mythological definitons were then added to the dictionaries as meanings for the term supernatural. But those new versions are rooted in the more primitive ones that viewed nature as being greater then mere humans and something we must respect and honor.

As imagination mixed with explanations concerning actural events effecting the tribes and later the larger kingdoms. But what I am claiming is that the newer definitions have no right to displace the original perspectives, based on logical reasoning or on factural evidence. The real One is real nature, not something alien to nature.

[SoylentGreen]

Technosoul
The real One is real nature, not something alien to nature.

The original perspective came about through a desire to understand and was based on ignorance of the true nature of the events such as volcanoes, earthquakes or floods.
Man could understand that men did things and could change things so it was only natural for them to assume that stronger, greater men (gods) were influencing these forces.
That doesn't mean there were any supernatural forces just that it seemed a reasonable explanation for it.
The Real One doesn't exist it's a myth that was once accepted and no longer is.

[Kuldeep]

The Real One doesn't exist it's a myth that was once accepted and no longer is.

Life or Consciousness ???

It is real one before us but, nothing much is known about its origin. This is definitely beyond physical world which I would like to call SUPERNATURAL

[SoylentGreen]

I don't see it. If you give a supernatural explanation to it then it is only a superstition. Life or consciousness are just part of nature there is nothing supernatural here just a wish to define it in terms that will allow for something .
The Real One is something you want to exist, that does not mean that it does.

[Kuldeep]

Either, I am not able express or, you are not able to follow!!! Do you mean there is no difference between a live and a dead person???

A dead person has all the physical material in tact compared to what he had when alive. But, something which is missing and which we call life or consciousness is not present when dead. It is definely an abstract term. The power behind the functioning of genes, RNA and DNA and minutest cell of the person is LIFE. It is evident that that power is not physical material in any sense. If I call it metaphysical or super natural why you object??? When it exists in reality in all living beings and is surely real so how can say it can be unreal???

[Technosoul]

Something is missing, Techno ! I too look as Alive looke at earthquaakes or hurricane or rain fall, floods or lightening and put allthat is conceivable as Natural only. I do not agree with you that anything which is within the capability of HUMANS only is natural.


This is purely an imaginary statement.The sun, the waters, the soils, and the air all combined together with energy ONLY SEEMS to produce life, and consciousness. Even the fore runner of understanding topmost world biologists are not aware how Life or Consciousness is formed. The "Life or Consciousness" portion of your post is definitely supernatural.

You forgot to name what you think is un-natural. Or what within the scope of reality is not-natural. If you think a superstorm is un-natural because it is not a average kind of storm, then think again, logically.
If you think super natural is not natural then think again.

The problem is that modern religions want to hog-up the term supernatural for use only by them for their biblical or mythological gods,
making them the Anti-natural or Anti-nature people who cursade destructively upon what they claim is paganism, as well as science.

They claim Jesus preachers love and peace, but remain silent while their own people advocate immoral wars upon Irag. They do not bring out massive protests and therefore have taken the name of love and peace in vain, and they repent not of those failings.

I did not present an imaginary claim that 'only seems' real. Any logical person who is not blind knows that life is dependant upon the basics I presented.

Can life be without having sunlight?
Can life be without having water?
Can life be without having the food of the soil, and menerials?
Can life be without energy?
Can life be without air to breathe?
Can life be witout some degree of consciousness?

That is more then just "seems to be" that is just plain "IS".

It takes no faith to know this because it is not a big mystery nor magical, it is not the "unknown" it is the known.

It is more then a mere definition or explanation, it is the 'being-ness'.
(coined a new word). Nature is at all levels within our perceptions of what effects us as a cause.

[Kamehameha34]

No.

1. of, pertaining to, or being above or beyond what is natural; unexplainable by natural law or phenomena; abnormal.

supernatural - Definitions from Dictionary.com

[Technosoul]

The original perspective came about through a desire to understand and was based on ignorance of the true nature of the events such as volcanoes, earthquakes or floods.
Man could understand that men did things and could change things so it was only natural for them to assume that stronger, greater men (gods) were influencing these forces.
That doesn't mean there were any supernatural forces just that it seemed a reasonable explanation for it.
The Real One doesn't exist it's a myth that was once accepted and no longer is.

If you knew that lava from a volcano could wipe out the whole city where you dwelled, would that be "ignorance" based on experience. Now you might think they prayed to the men or gods that caused the volcano to erupt but that is only because more modern people pray to unseen gods or to their dead saints Because you were not there and did not see they were seeking mercy form the volcano and the earth that sent forth such fire and breamstone (directly to it and not something controlling it) Now if the volcano did not erupt again and destroy them they would reason that their prayers for mercy were granted, and so based on the deduction that the ritural worked they continued it.

Now that is different then praying for world peace every Sunday and never having it granted to you. Such would be foolishness because it is not based on confirmed results when tested.