Lullaby Chainer vs texasdave || Existence of God

[Kamehameha34]

If he was truly omnipotent and omnibelevolent, why not just zap the gooey goodness into everyone?

[texasdave]

God is fulfilling a need. Love. God is the ultimate love. Love, unexpressed, is sorrow. God needs to give love. But it must be genuine. That is why you have free will because love only has value when it is freely given. God loves you lullaby. And He has not given up on you. That is why I am here.

[Lullaby Chainer]

Suffering; Suffering is a natural consequence of sin and being some degree of separation from God. God allows the consequence of suffering as a means of conditioning your character and to give you a true perspective ( a TASTE if you will) of what separation from God means. Call it a milder form of hell to give you a correction. Like a Father would do if He were concerned about your long term ( like eternal) welfare.

You're insulting your god's capabilities. A god capable of anything should be able to conjure a way to teach his creations without the bizarre need for infinite eternal punishments.

[Bnet505]

God is fulfilling a need. Love. God is the ultimate love. Love, unexpressed, is sorrow. God needs to give love. But it must be genuine. That is why you have free will because love only has value when it is freely given. God loves you lullaby. And He has not given up on you. That is why I am here.

Then how come if I don't follow his crazy book of rules I'll be tortured for the rest of time? What loving God lets the Holocaust, Crusades, 9/11, Bombing of Abortion Clinics, painful, torturous deaths, torture in Guantanamo, Mideastern conflict, plagues, wars, and all the evil cruel things happen? Where's the love because Earth's feeling a lack?

[Lullaby Chainer]

The action is infinite. Complete rejection of Him is infinite.

Why?

If it has nothing to do with God being infinite.. is the action of disbelieving in the President also infinite?

God does not allow anyone to go to hell that will eventually accept Him. The judgement is final because the rejection is final.

Over infinity, every thing that can be accepted will be accepted. Everyone will "eventually" accept God. So, no.. try again. If by eventually you mean, within their life time.. then what was the point of saying that? Accepting God gets you into Heaven, we know that.

Someone would be fundamentally hurt by a rebellious spirit being in heaven. Satan being the example.

We're not rebelling, Dave. We just can't find your god over the thousands of other gods.

[Lullaby Chainer]

God is fulfilling a need. Love. God is the ultimate love. Love, unexpressed, is sorrow. God needs to give love. But it must be genuine. That is why you have free will because love only has value when it is freely given. God loves you lullaby. And He has not given up on you. That is why I am here.

If he were trying to save me, he would have fixed this shit hole world he's created.. He needs to stop hurting so many people. He needs to go to counseling for this sadistic need to torture. He needs to do what any regular person with a good heart off the street would do with his powers. Sending someone who can't defend his own religion should be the last thing on his list. :rolleyes:

[texasdave]

Bnet,
Why do you put your faith in the mankind that CAUSED all those attrocities you listed? You are asking why God did not stop them. You should be asking why man did them.

[texasdave]

lullaby,
You are not finding God because you are not seeking God. You are too busy making excuses for your unbelief which is a smokescreen to cover your rebellious heart. You just want to do what you want to do and denying God is the best way for you to dodge responsibility to Him. It is cowardly too.

[Bnet505]

Bnet,
Why do you put your faith in the mankind that CAUSED all those attrocities you listed? You are asking why God did not stop them. You should be asking why man did them.

Man did them because there are evil humans. To say god is all loving and caring, why did he let such suffering? I don't put all my faith into mankind. Mankind is filled with flaws right now.

[texasdave]

You are right, mankind is filled with flaws. So are you and so am I. I trust God before I trust my own mind or heart without Him. I doubt myself but not God.

[Bnet505]

You are right, mankind is filled with flaws. So are you and so am I. I trust God before I trust my own mind or heart without Him. I doubt myself but not God.

I don't trust fairy tales. I trust myself and anyone I trust more than God. I doubt God. Keep this debate between Chainer and you. Bring this to another thread if you want.

[texasdave]

Bnet,
Well.....bye.