I love meat so no amount of vegetables (Even though vegetables are good) can convert me to the vegetarianism.
I love meat so no amount of vegetables (Even though vegetables are good) can convert me to the vegetarianism.
Bnet,
I think we finally found something that you and I can completely agree on.
I guess we did. I love meat. I tried vegetarianism once. Didn't get the point. We are the most evolved species, we should get the spoils from our animal friends.Quote by: texasdave
Kill'em and grill'em.
Yes, at the begining itself, me myself have already given same option as persuasion ! No doubt, I am pure vegetarian. But, when persons like texasdave and Bnet505 are out there to persuade the job is not so easy. So we are left with no other means but to additionally the use government force as well.
This, I suggest to save those animals whom texadave wants to kill untimely. I won't mind, if he picks up animal, died of natural death,to grill it. I only wish cruelsome and untimely death (murder so to say) to innocent animals be avoided at any cost !!!!!
Osborn F Enready said:
Meat and Vegetable diets are not equal to vegetable only diets, they are superior, and provide more longevity for the species of man overall.Upon reflecting on it, I'm pretty confident that properly handled vegetarianism is healthier than a meat diet for most people, so I looked up some sources:Osborn F Enready said:
Well, that is highly debateable, and I surely would not be happier, or healthier, as I have experimented with my diet regarding things like this.
Bodybuilding.com - Topic Of The Week - What Is The Best Diet For A Vegetarian Bodybuilder?
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"Vegetarianism is appealing to bodybuilders because a plant based diet can provide all the nutrients the body needs, without many of the unhealthy components of animal products. The reality of factory farming in North America means that the meat people eat has been raised in over-crowded unhealthy conditions, and fed a potentially dangerous cocktail of antibiotics and hormones. Regardless of your stand on the ethics of animal farming, modern factory farming techniques should be a cause for concern to any athlete who cares about the quality of the foods going into their body. Also, not eating animal products means that you are not consuming any LDL or "bad" cholesterol, will greatly reduce your consumption of trans and saturated fats, and will increase your intake of fiber, antioxidants, and other micronutrients. These properties of a vegetarian diet can be a major advantage for a bodybuilder."
Bodybuilding.com - Virtual Muscle - Vegetarian Bodybuilding: Does It Have A Chance?
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"I know the first question that probably comes to mind is, "How will I get enough protein?" According to the PDCAAS (Protein Digestibility Corrected Amino Acid Score), one of the measurement scales for protein quality, soy has been rated 1.0 (the highest) right alongside whey and above that of beef which scored a .92. It is a complete protein source containing all of the basic building blocks (the 8 essential amino acids) necessary for the growth and recuperation of muscle tissue."
Are vegetarian diets healthier?
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"Well-planned vegetarian diets tend to be higher in fiber and protective phytonutrients and lower in saturated fat than the typical American diet. This healthier diet helps explain why vegetarians tend to have less cardiovascular disease, Type 2 diabetes, hypertension and fewer weight problems than their meat-loving counterparts."
TIME Magazine: Veggie Tales
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"The research papers presented there included some encouraging if tentative findings: that a predominantly vegetarian diet may have beneficial effects for kidney and nerve function in diabetics, as well as for weight loss; that eating more fruits and vegetables can slow, and perhaps reverse, age-related declines in brain function and in cognitive and motor performance—at least in rats; that vegetarian seniors have a lower death rate and use less medication than meat-eating seniors; that vegetarians have a healthier total intake of fats and cholesterol but a less healthy intake of fatty acids (such as the heart-protecting omega-3 fatty acids found in fish oil)."
Welcome to Homemakers.com : Is a vegetarian diet healthy?
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"According to Canada's National Institute of Nutrition (NIN), a research organization that studies health and nutrition, evidence is "strong" that a vegetarian diet leads to lower mortality rates, and reductions in chronic diseases such as constipation, obesity and several types of cancer, especially colon cancer. Data indicating a correlation between vegetarianism and a reduced risk of hypertension, coronary heart disease, adult-onset diabetes and gallstone is rated "good.""
Living Vegetarian A Healthy Way To Eat - Chart showing how humans are more suited to plant diets by comparing human similarities to other plant-eating animals, and human dissimiliarities with meat-eating animals.
Also, not included in this chart is the fact that most carnivorous animals are accustomed to eating uncooked meat, but humans can get very sick or die from uncooked meat. We are not naturally equipped to consume many kinds of meat.
Vegetarian diets - Healthy Eating - Heart and Stroke Foundation of Canada
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"Vegetarian diets can provide all the nutrients you need at any age, as well as some additional health benefits. Vegetarian diets often have lower levels of total fat, saturated fat and cholesterol than many meat-based diets, and higher intakes of fibre, magnesium, potassium, folate and antioxidants such as vitamins C and E. Vegetarian diets may lead to lower blood pressure, improved cholesterol levels, healthier weight and less incidence of Type 2 diabetes, all of which can reduce the risk of heart disease and stroke."
I said otherwise and you didn't address the reasons I used to back up my disagreeing stance.texasdave said:
It is also fine to eat meat.
Captain Cardio said:
It is bad for our health, does the worst harm to our environment even topping the oil industry, and upon facing the facts, is very questionable ethically, in that so many people passively accept an unnecessary process that in almost all current cases causes great suffering to take place.No,animals aren't like plants, because we can easily infer that animals have consciousness and can feel pain. Animals are also less healthy for us than plants to consume, and have much bigger environmental consequences than plant production.texasdave said:
Animals are a renewable resource like plants
Says who? Obviously animals have not given implied consent.texasdave said:
and we should have the freedom to eat them
So you believe you have the freedom, to violate another creatures freedom? Animals may not have the sort of variety of potentials that humans do, when left to do what they want, but we are certainly going against their wishes by imprisoning them in terrible conditions for life, and killing them in inhumane ways.
Calling people of a certain position 'radicals', does not make them wrong until you can explain and show why.Hmm said:
I would hope that that would be the response of all vegetarians. Yet again, there are some radicals.
Just because you, individually, didn't get the point, doesn't mean there wasn't a valid one for it.Bnet505 said:
I guess we did. I love meat. I tried vegetarianism once. Didn't get the point.
Yes we are the most evolved species. Some people might say this places us in a position of responsibility, rather than of rightful exploitation. What reason do you have to believe your evolution intrepretation of right over animals is more credible than an interpretation of responsibility to animals?Bnet505 said:
We are the most evolved species, we should get the spoils from our animal friends.
If our current treatment of animals was applied to humans, we would have a situation thousands of times bigger than the holocaust. I hardly think that such actions having anything to do with animals being our 'friends'.Bnet505 said:
we should get the spoils from our animal friends.
So, since you objection to eating animals is that they feel pain, if we could painlessly kill them that's O.K?
I had multiple objections, however,texasdave said:
So, since you objection to eating animals is that they feel pain, if we could painlessly kill them that's O.K?
If animals had better living conditions than factory farms currently supply aswell as being killed painlessly, then that would silence my moral objection in terms of animal exploitation.
I would imagine farm animals would be just fine if they lived their life looked well after by humans, until one day they are lead to a backroom and their consciousness simply ceased. It would be a good life that would end with no suffering, no problem there.
The huge environmental cost of raising animals would still exist though. Their manure is very plentiful and has the single most harmful human caused environmental cost.
And it is still healthier to not eat animals. But if the environmental and exploitation issues were put aside, then sure, I would be fine leaving each individual to decide whether they will eat meat on their own, since the only person who faces the consequences of doing so, would be themselves.
Capt,
Have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? Tyson Foods is on my way to work and I have been there as well as have had several friends who have worked there. Tyson bought out Iowa Beef Products ( IBP) and currently runs a beef packing facility here. It is on the corner of U.S. Highway 60 and FM road 1912. ( in case you want to look it up) The way they kill the cattle is with a compressed air gun. It fires a retractable bolt into the cow's brain that kills it instantly and quite painlessly. We also have two of the world's largest stockyards here. One here in Amarillo and another in Hereford ( named after the cow) They are smelly but relatively clean for cows that is. The manure is piled in lots and after it ferments ( to kill weed seeds) it is used as fertilizer for farming operations. Everything is used, nothing is wasted.
That sounds like good animal treatment.texasdave said:
Have you ever been to a slaughterhouse? Tyson Foods is on my way to work and I have been there as well as have had several friends who have worked there. Tyson bought out Iowa Beef Products ( IBP) and currently runs a beef packing facility here. It is on the corner of U.S. Highway 60 and FM road 1912. ( in case you want to look it up) The way they kill the cattle is with a compressed air gun. It fires a retractable bolt into the cow's brain that kills it instantly and quite painlessly. We also have two of the world's largest stockyards here. One here in Amarillo and another in Hereford ( named after the cow) They are smelly but relatively clean for cows that is.
If you believe that is whats happening at all animal farms, you should browse around the web.
Factory Farming - Veal Production
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"Prior to being hung up by their back legs and bled to death, cattle are supposed to be rendered unconscious, as stipulated by the federal Humane Slaughter Act. This 'stunning' is usually done by a mechanical blow to the head. However, the procedure is terribly imprecise, and inadequate stunning is inevitable. As a result, conscious animals are often hung upside down, kicking and struggling, while a slaughterhouse worker makes another attempt to render them unconscious. Eventually, the animals will be "stuck" in the throat with a knife, and blood will gush from their bodies whether or not they are unconscious."
Sounds like good farming practices. Alot of companies, however, dump a considerable amount of manure into local rivers and streams.texasdave said:
The manure is piled in lots and after it ferments ( to kill weed seeds) it is used as fertilizer for farming operations. Everything is used, nothing is wasted.
Factory Farming Impacts
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"Water Pollution --- Huge amounts of manure are produced under concentrated conditions in most factory farms. Manure management becomes a major headache, to collect, store and disposal of properly. Up to now, the state has been weak in enforcing manure management plans, with the result that nearby streams and lakes have often been damaged by the excess nutrients, chemicals and bacteria flowing into them. In Brown County, we already have more animals and manure than we have land to spread the manure on. Our land base is inadequate for the number of animals we have."
Factory Farming - Environment
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"Meanwhile, the quantity of waste produced by farm animals in the U.S. is more than 130 times greater than that produced by humans. Agricultural runoff has killed millions of fish, and is the main reason why 60% of America's rivers and streams are "impaired". "
Even though nothing is wasted, cows still generate methane from flatlulence, and their manure fermenting also releases methane.
Methane is a potent greenhouse gas that is 21x as powerful as carbon for trapping heat in Earth's atmosphere.
I oppose unsound farming practices. I support ethical treatment of animals. But I have no problem with cheeseburgers.
Even if the cheeseburger is produced from unsound farming practices, or unethical treatment of animals? Do you mean you believe in those two things, but they don't affect your actions as a consumer? Or you're fine with eating a cheeseburger so long as it results from sound farming practices and ethical animal treatment? (I'm trying to understand your stance, not trying to make accusations.)texasdave said:
I oppose unsound farming practices. I support ethical treatment of animals. But I have no problem with cheeseburgers
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