"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams
I don't typically browse that forum, but you're definitely right. These threads are not good for the site.
heres a thought.
create a flaming thread with no real rules for people to blow off steam and really go nuts. i think that will release tension that can sometimes surface in more serious discussion.
"Cheese is a kind of meat, a tasty yellow beef" - Mighty Boosh
Economic Left/Right: -0.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -1.38
I think that would create some serious hostilities here. In addition, promoting no rules is not going to be constructive.
I think everyone should note that this site has become increasingly anti-flame in the past few months, while memberships and post numbers have consistently increased. (Look at last year's top posters counts, September-December if you don't believe me).
Doing a little research, you'll see this movement to a more sophisticated site with greater intellectual integrity has been going on for years now:
September 2005: http://www.volconvo.com/forums/gener...nnoying+threadhttp://www.volconvo.com/forums/misce...nnoying+thread
Last edited by fushigi; 31st May 2007 at 11:52 PM.
Is there an acceptable way to try to communicate issues openly with people who are being disruptive? If not a "you're annoying" type thread, what kind of thread would that be? Is it better to never point out what you see to be a problem, or is it only okay to do it privately?
Such correspondence must be private and non-abusive.
This forum used to have a board called "Flame Fest" which has morphed into the (comparatively) obsessively tame "Miscellaneous" board. And a bit TOO tame, if I'm allowed my two cents. And I'M pretty much known as one of the more civil "old timers".
A few members may like the idea of a forum where the most heated discussions start with "I say, while I will defend your right to take that stance I most strongly disagree..." but when Dick Cheney and John McCain can swear at their fellow legislators, it should be obvious that politics ain't like sunday school and people DO get emotional without the world coming to an end. When that is taken away the fire goes out of political discussion and the whole point is lost.
But I guess PC is becoming the rule almost everywhere these days.
Just my two cents.
It isn't about political correctness. It's about preventing this site from degenerating into immature, emotional, personal squabbles with little attention to arguments and content.
I thought I would post this here because I believe this very thread illustrates my point. Instead of just avoiding certain threads if they get upset with the actions of others, they want to keep complaining until they see every thread conform to their unnecessarily bland standards. I think this penalizes the people who still see political discussion as a little rough around the edges. For many posters on these forums, political discussion is mostly born of anger generated by a serious dissatisfaction with what is. In that sense I think it DOES become a matter of PC when people are told to leave their emotions at the door.
You've done a lot of hard work on this site, that's obvious to me, and I've been here since the beginning. I was even a moderator here and remember taking quite a bit of abuse for it from a handful of members, which I believe I took in stride and never let it "get to me".
I just hate the idea of a handful of relentless complainers taking the emotion and, frankly, the fun out of arguing politics. Too MUCH anger is bad, but none at all will end up like discussing politics with your grandmother and I really don't think that's good for this forum either.