Extraordinary guns seized

[The Decider]

A bodega owner down the block from me got busted a few years aback for trying to sell Stinger missles to undercover agents.

Hey, don't diss Stinger missiles. You can bag a lot of deer with just one.

[Sugar]

Yes you can , provided you can get hold of one of those stringer missiles and a herd of deers to shoot at?

[Praxius]

My cousin (23) owns at least 3 guns which are all legal. Many of my relatives own or have owned guns before. If you want a gun you can get one, its just that if you want one you have to put in more effort to get it.

That, and you just can't go walking down the street with them.

You can still hunt, still target shoot, still do what you ever did in the past with your own personal firearms, but there is a lot of things you gotta go through... basically it's like trying to get a pilot's license..... may sound like a pain in the ass, but by the end of it... you can pretty much say you're an expert from the training and the things they put you through. It's far better then just walking into a store, flashing your ID and there you go..... frig anybody can do that..... with our system you gotta be checked to reduce future problems.

Like owning a car.... or a boat, a gun is a serious thing... and you need restrictions and regulation over it to keep things safe.

If there were no laws for airplanes, and everybody could fly, anytime, anywhere, with no air control.... do you realize how many airplanes would be crashing into one another in mid air? I've studied up on it, and without the systems they have in place now, with codes, black boxes, travel paths, times and all that... without it, due to all the planes from around the world and the amount each country has, the airs would be a living nightmare.

And the right to bear arms may not apply in Canada, and we may not be able to carry a gun down the street.... but if a war came to our shores, or there was some kind of emergancy, I imagine it wouldn't take long for everyone to get what they need..... we're not totally inerpt, and we're not totally gun free..... but what we have now, does reduce the problems guns are involved in.

[shawmutt]

"extraordinary guns"



"guns we haven't seen in a while"



If I can ever get my wife (born south of the M-D line) used to the cold, we'll be going back to Canada in a heartbeat. (First generation United Statsian here, and I want out! )

[rmnunez]

Take heart shawmutt, what with global warming and all it may be you'll be homesteading up in subtropical Canada sooner than you think.

[Slevin57]

This become a regular feature of news papers. Guns gusn everwhere . Shootings, murders and mass killing are the only reports we see now a days on the cover of any news paper.....

The news is usually relative.

And there is nothing like a horrible story to brighten your day. I mean you get up, think your job sucks, then you hear about a family who lives on welfare that just had there entire house burn down after loosing there job. Then you sip your coffee and head off to work

[medi]

The news is usually relative.

And there is nothing like a horrible story to brighten your day. I mean you get up, think your job sucks, then you hear about a family who lives on welfare that just had there entire house burn down after loosing there job. Then you sip your coffee and head off to work

Thats how life continues on. We read and think for a while and then take the next stride in our regular work. Unless any event is directly effecting us, most of us are not even bothered to think about the plight of the victims....

[Osborn F Enready]

Anymore news on this story Prax, or just speculation still?

[Praxius]

Checking now....

Nope.... usually something like this won't be updated in the news for about a month or so... or you could check out news online from BC.

Hang on, here you go:

CTV.ca | Vancouver police make major weapons seizure

Vancouver police carted out what appeared to be a tripod-mounted, military-style machine gun from a high-rise apartment, just one part of a major weapons seizure.

"Some extraordinary guns, some devices that may have had some explosives, some precursors and what-have-you," Insp. Bob Chapman told CTV British Columbia on Saturday.

Police covered the rifles, ammunition boxes and machine gun before removing them from the building and carting them away.

The sheer volume of guns and ammunition had Chief Jamie Graham out on a Saturday to take a look.

Military explosives experts were brought in to help examine the find.

Police were tipped to the cache by a partial 911 call from the suite on Thursday morning.

"There's been 20-30 police here, 24 hours per day, for the last three days," building resident Tom Rutledge said.

Police had about 40 people on several floors evacuate the building as a precaution on Saturday.

Some residents grumbled about doing it now, considering the cache was discovered on Thursday.

"The devices were on a desk. They've been there for who knows how long," Chapman said. "But again, we weren't sure what they held, so we brought our experts in to examine them. Once we started moving them, that's when we were concerned about whether they were safe or not. So we had a partial evacuation of the building at that time."

Surprise visit

The male resident of the suite was quite surprised when police showed up, he said.

"They asked about the well-being of anybody within the suite, he was quite sketchy in his answers, they gained access to the suite, walked in a few steps and saw some firearms readily available on the table," Chapman said.

The resident has been taken into custody. CTV British Columbia reports that other than a past incident at the border, he isn't known to police.

While police say they don't believe there is a terrorist or gang connection, they are still trying to figure out why he had so many military-style weapons in his apartment.

The condominium complex is a half a block from both Science World and a SkyTrain station and a block from the GM Place and BC Place stadiums in downtown Vancouver.

Police spokesman Howard Chow told The Canadian Press that the department might make a further statement on Monday or Tuesday.

CP reported that cache of guns and explosives was seized Friday in Victoria.

Police say they pulled over a large moving van. Inside, they found explosives and restricted firearms, including two sawed-off shotguns.

Brass knuckles, blasting caps and two crossbows with hunting arrows were also seized, along with several boxes of ammunition.

Police believe some of the guns were from the central Vancouver Island community of Duncan.

A 28-year-old man was arrested and will appear in court in June.

I haven't found anything else with more detail then this so far.

[Osborn F Enready]

Thanks for checking..... still just speculation.

[ZNFYRH]

A question and an observation...

Question: Does Canada have a Right to Bear Arms similar to the U.S. Constitution?

Observation: A dropped 911 call is reason for police to go to a location. There are a multitude of reasons. When they get to the door, if the person who answers acts suspiciously, the police have a right to enter the premises on the basis of the person answering the door might not be the one who made the call, and could very well be keeping another person in fear of harm.

Upon entering the residence, they saw firearms nearby. Depending on the answer to my question, as well as firearms licensing and registration in Canada, then if those firearms weren't registered, and if there were that many of them, that pretty much takes care of any issues.

Before any of you go off about liberty and a travesty against justice, consider the laws of that nation and the legality of the weapons possession.

Do you think someone should violate the laws of their nation in order to possess weapons?

If so, and if you believe one needs weapons to defend against their own government, then isn't it hypocritical to break one law in order to defend another?

[rmnunez]

That's known as the "plain view doctrine" doctrine in the US and it allows law enforcement to seize the fruits and instrumentalities of a crime which can be observed from where they lawfully stand. If there was a weapon accesible, it could be seized immediately to protect the officers, but would have to be returned once it was verified in lawful possession and not a threat to the police.