The negative side of stem cell research.

[Scribbler1]

Here's one explanation from the NIH.

V. What are the similarities and differences between embryonic and adult stem cells?

Human embryonic and adult stem cells each have advantages and disadvantages regarding potential use for cell-based regenerative therapies. Of course, adult and embryonic stem cells differ in the number and type of differentiated cells types they can become. Embryonic stem cells can become all cell types of the body because they are pluripotent. Adult stem cells are generally limited to differentiating into different cell types of their tissue of origin. However, some evidence suggests that adult stem cell plasticity may exist, increasing the number of cell types a given adult stem cell can become.

Large numbers of embryonic stem cells can be relatively easily grown in culture, while adult stem cells are rare in mature tissues and methods for expanding their numbers in cell culture have not yet been worked out. This is an important distinction, as large numbers of cells are needed for stem cell replacement therapies.

I haven't had time to look up so-called "embryo adoption or how widespread it is.

[Mozart1220]

I'll go back to my old standby. This one really gets people going.

If Abortion is murder, then misscarraige is invoulantary manslaughter.


Also, many fertilised eggs get "washed out" with a woman's period, just because all conditions were not right for a sustanied pregnancy. My ex wife and I were told this when we were trying to get pregnant the first time. We did everything to make it happen and it just wouldn't for a long time. I was fertile, she was fertile, it just took the right conditions. She even missed a period once and then picked it up again the next month.

So is she a murderer?

[prejudged_Fire]

If Abortion is murder, then misscarraige is invoulantary manslaughter.

This isn't a debate on whether or not abortion is murder. This really isn't a debate at all. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about it and get some ideas for my project.

[5010]

can you provide your sources of these facts?

Google them. Try "adult stem cell therapy", "embryonic stem cell therapy", embryonic stem cell tumor", etc. You should be able to pull together a lot of sources from that.

[sevendogs]

I do not see any problems with research. Any research, which adds to our knowledge, is good. The problem may arise, when we decide what to do with obtained results of the research. To do stem cell research, scientists do not need to kill embryos. They simply can use what would be discarded anyway.
Ethical problems with this are of pure ideological nature, just like with animal rightists ideology not allowing research on animals. Both religious right and animal rightism are anti science ideologies.

[5010]

Ethical problems with this are of pure ideological nature, just like with animal rightists ideology not allowing research on animals. Both religious right and animal rightism are anti science ideologies.

Not purely. The categorization of human embryo as homo sapiens is supported by scientific evidence.

Also, the legal restriction against scientists abducting you for research could be considered 'anti-science' too.

[Mozart1220]

This isn't a debate on whether or not abortion is murder. This really isn't a debate at all. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about it and get some ideas for my project.

I know, but I love that question because logicly it's true, legaly it's true, yet those that want abortion to be murder will dance like ballerinas on the head of a pin trying to rationalise a way out of it.


Besides, if using an embyonic stem cell constitutes abortion, and abortion is murder, you have your answer.

The downside is we have to murder people to save people, kind of like Bush's little war eh?

[PatrickHenry]

This really isn't a debate at all. I just wanted to see what you guys thought about it and get some ideas for my project.

What a lazy SOB...

[sevendogs]

Not purely. The categorization of human embryo as homo sapiens is supported by scientific evidence.

Also, the legal restriction against scientists abducting you for research could be considered 'anti-science' too.

It does not matter. Anything helping to control population growth is good for Homo sapiens population at large. Embryos are not humans yet and can be disposed. It is a question of practicality, not morality. I like adults more then their embryos. By some reasons conservative Americans like more embryos then adults.

[5010]

It does not matter.

Just to make sure I'm reading this right, are you saying that whether ethics is purely ideological or not doesn't matter to the debate?

Anything helping to control population growth is good for Homo sapiens population at large.

Not anything. Extinction would control population growth, but it is not 'good' for the species.

And is growth even relevant? One would have to demonstrate how stem cell therapy helps population control. There would have to be a population of pregnant woman who only remain pregnant because they are not allowed to donate their embryos to stem cell research. And even if this could be demonstrated, it also successfully shreds the pro-research argument that only IVF 'byproducts' that would have been destroyed anyway would be used for research! Additionally one would have to present an argument that the embryonic research would not be successful enough to cause population growth.

Embryos are not humans yet and can be disposed.

By which definition of 'human'?

[prejudged_Fire]

What a lazy SOB...

Screw you. There's nothing lazy about getting ideas on how to debate this certain situation. I didn't chose to be on this side, I was placed there and now I have to fight for it which most people on volconvo seem to be good at.

[Technosoul]

What a lazy SOB...

Thinking for your self is taboo at collages, don't'cha know.

NBC also had a story last week where collages and universities are unhappy because kids are googling up false information from webpages on the internet.
Some of the webpages are not "by the book". Some universities have outlawed the on-line Wikipedia for example because the teachers do not feel it is alway factural.

"Some of our students are miss-using our modern tools for research" a school authority said.

Which ties into what might be a negitive for stem cell research, for stem cells hold the Wikikpedia of knowledge about how our body operates, and it might be miss used. Hmm? Stem cells contain some of the computer-like programs that generate the knowledgable growth patterns or human and animal life forms.

Sort of like finding a "secret scroll" written by God billions of years ago. (According to Bush Beliefs). The "B.B. brain factor.

I might sound a little crazy with all this yakking but it is in my genes ya know and so it's NOT MY FAULT.