Abortion

**GuidoNius** · 16th October 2003, 04:37 AM

Fallen Angel, you have the uncanny ability to make the point of your adversary. I salute your skill in pushing the feminist agenda. Luckily, I'm not a feminist because if I was, I would feel humbled by your argumentative power for feminism. Agnes

**Conan** · 16th October 2003, 09:54 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Agnes Ostic,)
Fallen Angel, you have the uncanny ability to make the point of your adversary. I salute your skill in pushing the feminist agenda. Luckily, I'm not a feminist because if I was, I would feel humbled by your argumentative power for feminism. Agnes<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Well if your not a feminist what the hell are you?
And the last cause I would want to go out and bat for is one that hates men and children.

**GuidoNius** · 16th October 2003, 10:33 AM

What a man wants and what a man gets are two different things alltogether.

I am Agnes, all stereotyping is fully and completely in your head.

Waychel · 16th October 2003, 02:04 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
I can give only one word that should be mulled over by the femnasties on here, its called responsibility, yes that word you have been screeching at men for the last twenty years but can't seem to apply to an innocent life form that you are supposed to be nurturing.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Uhm, excuse me? Am I insulting you for being pro-life? So why do you stereotype me as being some kind of feminist and then call me a "femnasty" just because I believe nobody should dictate whether every woman regardless of circumstance should or should not go through pregnancy?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
Not throwing away because the condom broke, or my career is more important, or I don't know who the father is, thats your fault.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

This is pretty narrow minded of peoples' lives. As I said before, if I was in such a situation as to become pregnant, I would not be able to go through the pregnancy because I already have to take care of my dad due to his Parkinsons.

Everyone has a different life, different reasons, different situations. I mean no offense, but it is beyond ignorant to act omnipotent in your judgment and believe you know everyone's lives, everyone's reasons, and can judge them.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
You are above all else the carriers of life, your womb is not some kind of toilet to be flushed when you feel like.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Tell Aunt Flo that.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
Please, do yourself a favor and the poor kid you kill and steralise yourself, if you are not up to the purpose of what God made you to be, then don't be it permanently.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Just because someone may not be in the position right now to have kids, doesn't mean they may not want them in the future. Personally, I don't plan on ever having kids (If I ever get married and my husband wants kids, I will probably just adopt). But I can still understand that many other people want to have kids someday in their life - just not right now.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
On the other hand, a woman has every right to an abortion if raped( don't throw that date rape crap at me either) provided its early.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Again, please explain to be how it is justifiable to go through with an abortion early on if a woman is raped, yet not if a woman is forced with pregnancy un-planned?

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
Also if for extreme medical reasons, like baby is incredibly deformed and will have a pain filled life, then a mercy aborting could be done.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What about if the child were to go through with a life with no love, no family? These are the very questions every woman who has ever put their child up for adoption has to struggle with every day of their life. That suffering would be just the same for a child as physical pain, disorder or deformity.

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Fallen Angel,)
I make no excuses for men who don't help out raising the child once proven it is theirs, they are just as guilty of not taking any responsibility. I lived in one suburb where my female neighbor had four kids to three fathers, what a disqusting mess, this morally bankrupt society has created.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Let's assume for a moment she had 15 children with a 16th on the way, would you say even then that she shouldn't go through with abortion?

Honestly, all these attacks are nothing but moral ones, and personal. Its pretty arrogant to judge all the women on the planet who condone, consider or will go through with abortion as all being loose women without a moral or responsible fiber in their bodies.

**RebelWithanAK** · 16th October 2003, 03:41 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (tnphydeaux,)
Rebel with, this is an astonishing mischaracterization: And there are many physical and socio-economic reasons not to force her into pregnancy and motherhood ... Are you referring to conception due to a rape crime, or trying to pass off upon us that the behavior a couple engages in that can cause pregnancy should be void of the natural, thousands of years old consequences thus serial killing of the alive unborn is enlightened social policy? Rape may force a woman into pregnancy--and if it does, her right of self-defense allows her to terminate the pregnancy, but voluntary sexual activity is hardly force.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I thought I listed them out quite nicely:

1) Teen pregnancy.
-1a) Unstable relationships; single parenthood.
2) Rape.
3) Poverty; inability to support a child.
-3a) Lack of federal care; overcrowded orphanages.
4) Imperfect contraceptives; unwillingness to support a child.

There are plenty of reasons, and I shall repeat this as many times as it takes to get into your thick skull, tnphydeaux: People have sex for reasons other than simple procreation. Not that your absolutist "serial-killing" propoganda seems to take that into account. This ain't a Christian paradise, and God forbid it ever is.

**tnphydeaux** · 16th October 2003, 05:04 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (RebelWithanAK,)

I thought I listed them out quite nicely:

1) Teen pregnancy.
-1a) Unstable relationships; single parenthood.
2) Rape.
3) Poverty; inability to support a child.
-3a) Lack of federal care; overcrowded orphanages.
4) Imperfect contraceptives; unwillingness to support a child.

There are plenty of reasons, and I shall repeat this as many times as it takes to get into your thick skull, tnphydeaux: People have sex for reasons other than simple procreation. Not that your absolutist "serial-killing" propoganda seems to take that into account. This ain't a Christian paradise, and God forbid it ever is.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
LOL, you're a piece of work alright! You champion serial killing of unborn alive children--direct relatives to the mother and the father--and you cite poverty, single-parenthood, unstable relationships, 'over-crowded' orphanages, teen pregnancy (out little guy, Baylor Bradley was conceived in a teen's body; he's one month since birth, tomorrow),unwillingness to support a child, and the all time most astonishingly cold 'sex for fun and ignore any responsibility to a newly conceived individual life'. And you call me thick? BWahahahaha [Incidentally, prick, I have yet to name one single religious argument in this discussion, but that was a nice try to misdirect the discussion. (HINT: prick = a little thorn of no more consequence other than as an irritation)]

**TwoShanks** · 16th October 2003, 05:55 PM

In a revision of my previous position on the topic, I am now in favour of any parent having the right to kill their own child at any point, from conception until such time as the child can look after itself independently. I can only see good things coming from this idea.

Serial killing of unborn individual wonderful oh so sweet little babies? Long may it continue.

**tnphydeaux** · 16th October 2003, 08:09 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (TwoShanks,)
In a revision of my previous position on the topic, I am now in favour of any parent having the right to kill their own child at any point, from conception until such time as the child can look after itself independently. I can only see good things coming from this idea.

Serial killing of unborn individual wonderful oh so sweet little babies? Long may it continue.<hr size="1" /></blockquote> Uh, could you give me an age limit on that? I have a twenty-year-old, unmarried, with a new baby, at home right now ...

**dannyp** · 16th October 2003, 08:50 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
any parent having the right to kill their own child at any point, from conception until such time as the child can look after itself independently<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

haha tnphydeaux can solve two problems right now if thats the case. :p

**TwoShanks** · 16th October 2003, 09:03 PM

Twenty is clearly old enough to live independently. I would suggest sixteen as an age limit where it becomes possible to live independently of parents, since this is the age (in Britain at least) where it is possible to start work properly. As a general rule of thumb, the age where it is legal to leave school and get a job would seem a good marker.

**tnphydeaux** · 16th October 2003, 10:49 PM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (TwoShanks,)
As a general rule of thumb, the age where it is legal to leave school and get a job would seem a good marker.<hr size="1" /></blockquote> I hope you mean high school because that would avoid a heck of a lot of college costs!

**Conan** · 17th October 2003, 01:21 AM

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Agnes Ostic,)
What a man wants and what a man gets are two different things alltogether.

Same goes for women.

I am Agnes, all stereotyping is fully and completely in your head.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You are Agnes and you also hate men.

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