The least you could do is link to another thread or anything else where you display your evidence. Calling BS and then offering nothing to support your point isn't very conducive of constructive debate.Quote by: PatrickHenry
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The least you could do is link to another thread or anything else where you display your evidence. Calling BS and then offering nothing to support your point isn't very conducive of constructive debate.
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Economic Left/Right: 5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44
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I have spent literally hundreds of hours researching and debating this topic. If you think Washington DC is your friend, then I have no need to attempt to inform you otherwise. That information will likely penetrate your consciousness (if at all) through another source.
"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams
Sonart; I completely agree with your eloquent post here. The same people who want us to believe that a President who can't string a intelligent sentence together at times, and his incompetent Administration, would like us to swallow hook, line and sinker, exactly what you so well described above.
If the GWB Administration could pull that particular conspiricy off, then how come they are so inept at even tying their own shoes?:confused:
Nope can't have it both ways. Perhaps, either this administration is the least competent in history, or they are the most clever, intelligent and munipulitive in history. One or the other. Take your pick folks.
Ahhhhhh I know, they are only acting stupid to cover up the real truth.:rolleyes:
PH; This isn't a matter of DC being our friend, anymore than it is a matter of them being conspirators. The 911 incident is a matter of an act of terrorist agression against the US which was caught asleep at the switch. Terrorists tried and failed during Clinton's Administration with a bomb in a van in the undergrougnd parking garage at the WTC. Warning, warning, warning, danger, danger, danger ahead. This 911 attack was coming and the US authorities failed to do any relevant and serious planning after the first attack.
I respectfully disagree with you.
Brien the Iceberg
If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. M.T.
see, as an average civilian, i have no way of knowing (for sure) what actually happened that day. but the way wtc7 fell, among many other things, convinced me at least one thing - the official story was baloney.
and if the official version of the story ain't true, then the next logical question to ask is - why didn't they tell the truth?
economic left/right: -3.38
social libertarian/authoritarian: -3.59
Bush is stupid. An evil-hearted selfish puppet. Cheney ran the show on 9/11, a very cagey insider with sizeable personal profit motives. But even the most devious plans leave traces, and that is what the 9/11 Truth Movement has discovered and exposed.
Last edited by PatrickHenry; 14th August 2006 at 06:45 PM.
"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams
Whoawhoawhoa, easy on the misquote there. That was brien, not I.
And I'm not asking you to debate anything here; I just want you to show me some place where you present some shred of evidence that wasn't already refuted in the link I posted (that is, something more credible than LC). I'm not asking much here, and if you're just going to sit around with your ears plugged and not try to "spread the word", well, you come off as nothing more than a kook.
--Second
Economic Left/Right: 5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44
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Yeah that's my quote Pat. I understand what you are writing but I just can't see all of the wheels meshing together on that one. Besides, what about the first attempt during the Clinton Administration??? Was Cheney in on that also?:confused:
I believe, and it is my opinion only like others here, the first attack was the warning shot across the bow of which we paid no attention at all. The second atack was successful because the US was asleep at the proverbial switch.
Brien the Iceberg
If you tell the truth you don't have to remember anything. M.T.
Of course we were asleep. We'd been getting hit by terrorists for decades and nobody seemed to care much. So what happened? The terrorists stepped up their efforts when they realized that we would be asleep at the switch.
This is why the face of the world changed after 9/11 and how we'll never look at terrorism the same (or ignore it).
--Second
Economic Left/Right: 5.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: 1.44
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I have no way of knowing what really happened that day and neither do you. Yeah I'm talking to you. Whenever there's a crime, you find the motive and people who benifit from the crime. Who's benifited thus far?
Also, if PNAC and their spokesman (W) are so dumb, why do they control nearly everything? There's no sign of letup. Arrogance will be the downfall of this nation.
Suggesting that Islamic terrorists collaborated to destroy the U.S simply because they hate our freedom, is a huge CT in itself. One is as good as another. So keep an open mind. The important thing is that we have a more investigation
There's lots of threads on this. There's a search function on the site. Look through some past threads and you'll see the evolution of theories.
Sorry for the inadvertent misquote. I fixed it.
Second Law, do you read books?
Regarding refutation of the refutation of the refutation of the Official Conspiracy Theory...I think if you have any respect for those who say there is something wrong, you'll investigate it and satisfy yourself. Many here have done so, and some have settled that it was an inside job. Others, perhaps equally intelligent, have concluded that they are satisfied with the official explanations. Still others have been openminded and either can't come to a conclusion or think it just doesn't matter much. I have actually encountered members on this board who I regard as paid disinformation agents and extremely dishonest debaters. But just to show that I am not a complete lazy, arrogant blowhard:
Here are the outlines: There is a hidden hand that manipulates world events. Mostly composed of elements of international finance.
They are utterly without conscience, and will kill anyone who opposes them if necessary, but more frequently use their powerful spokesmen and other agents to marginalize opposition. There are nuts who theorize complete bullsh** too. These are useful for demolishing and mislabeling truthseekers and whistleblowers.
There is a lengthy history of false-flag operations wherein a powerful entity fabricates a pretext for a violent response that advances their agenda.
No doubt there are Islamic terrorists. But the events of 9/11 and the subsequent coverup by the would-be investigators are not plausible as simple terrorist actions. I mentioned the smoking guns. WTC7 was clearly a controlled demolition. How long does it take to set up a CD? Then the officials who pulled it off must have had foreknowledge for at least that amount of time...
It has led to increasing police/security state restrictions of US citizens' freedoms and expenditures of enormous sums for "security". Remember that borrowing by the US Federal system is highly profitable for the financial elite. They are the lenders.
There are projections for an endless war on terror. Possibly if the Islamic world can be sufficiently enraged by US and Israeli atrocities, there will be no further need to bring disaster on US citizens from the black ops of the financial elite. The terrorists will become a self-sustaining affliction, to the benefit of the war industries' profiteers.
I like Galloway's idea of draining the swamp. Not accomodating Islamists desires for world domination, but extending humanitarian development and diplomacy to all who will accept it, and dropping support for pliant dictators.
Last edited by PatrickHenry; 14th August 2006 at 07:19 PM.
"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams
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Fine, then show me how it could have been done that's even moderately more plausible than the current explanation.
Washington doesn't have to be my 'Friend' in order not to be a bunch of lunatic psychotic mass murderers of fellow Americans.
Indeed, bin Laden had been trying for years to provoke us into doing what had made it possible for him and Islam's holy warriors to defeat and bring down the 'other' Superpower -- invading and occupying a Muslim country. But until 9/11, the various attacks around the world were rather traditional affairs, nasty and evil, but in dangerous, faraway lands, and which ultimately rolled off our backs, albeit amid sporatic crumbles and complaints. It was the price of doing business in the Mideast.
9/11 was spectacular enough to piss off Boy George enough to go charging off to the Little Big Horn.
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I don't suffer from insanity... I thoroughly enjoy it
Sonart, don't deny that you think of Washington as your friend. You just don't like the current Party in power. As soon as the Dems retake the power structure you will be mollified.
"Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams
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