Woman cleric hails 'breakthrough'

[dreamer]

The first woman chosen as leader of an Anglican church says her appointment shows women are not excluded from any role in the communion.
On Monday Katharine Jefferts Schori was controversially appointed head of the Episcopalian Church in the US.
In a BBC interview, she also described the current row about gay bishops as a relatively minor issue.
She urged members of the church to focus instead on issues like poverty and injustice.

link.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/5113804.stm . Women should they have a roll so high in the church .
will it change the church ?

[rcne]

Would that be breakthrough or breakup, I don't think it is over yet. I really think a split is about to happen in the Anglican church.

And yet another branch of the truth appears.

[phoenix_fire]

In Christ there is no male or female. People tend to miss that one.

[Kuldeep]

No it would not change the Church, but change its philosophy to a major extent.

In Christ there is no male or female. People tend to miss that one.

Male or female should never have been the criteria in assigning the responsiblity of any kind. To my mind, male and female difference is in the outer cover only. The real inner one is personality, which is same with both and should be rational human. This personality of person should be the criteria and not male and female.

[rcne]

In Christ there is no male or female. People tend to miss that one.

Not in any religious sect I have been involved with, the woman is always subservient to the man. That's one reason I can't support any organized religion - the second class citizenship of over half the population of this blue planet.

In re-reading you post - is it just the interpretation and implementation that is skewed in favor of the male?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

In Christ there is no male or female. People tend to miss that one.

Haha, I'm sure twoanickel would disagree with that, he's a loves the Bible and last I checked, it downgraded women. Not only that, but millions of others follow that same Biblical format. Seems your idea of women and men having equal foothold in Christianity is more of deviation from Christianity than you thought.

[phoenix_fire]

Not in any religious sect I have been involved with, the woman is always subservient to the man. That's one reason I can't support any organized religion - the second class citizenship of over half the population of this blue planet.

In re-reading you post - is it just the interpretation and implementation that is skewed in favor of the male?

Many things have been skewed that way and it shouldn't surprise you. Many of the early Christians were against slavery. Paul was most noticeably one of these (see Philemon). You see, however, how long it took particular so-called Christianity dominant countries to cease the hideous practice. You've probably seen examples of how Bible verses were horribly skewed in order to justify it. Does it surprise you that it would be the same for women?

My above post is nearly a direct quote from Galatians:

You are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus, for all of you who were baptized into Christ have clothed yourselves with Christ. There is neither Jew nor Greek, slave nor free, male nor female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. If you belong to Christ, then you are Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Jesus actually did more to promote women than people tend to realize. I know that a lot of traditional hardliners will get mad at me for saying this, but you may have noticed by now that I'm not your average Christian. Those who tend to put down women often do so on the basis of different things that Paul says about procedure. Unfortunately, these people have done a poor exegesis.

[Technosoul]

This all only shows how backwards people still are relative to women and religion, here in the year 2006, calling it a "breakthrough". While most of the other "brand names" in religion still seperate the women from the men when it comes to high ranking roles within a church.

Should women really rally behind such a breakthrough? "Oh goody, at last we have become equals with those men". I think it is totally silly for women to put up with such nonsense. That whole idea that women are the private property of men is so old hat, it should have been long gone, long ago.
How come such foolishness is still put up with is beyond me to comprehend.

The original reason women did not take part in some so-called religious rituals, in the begining days, was because they used brews and mind expanding plant life, and mushrooms, for their vision quests, that is why if someone gets spiritual people will laugh and say "pass me the joint". However such mind alternating substances were used to gain religious revelations and women found out that those chemicals were bad when it came to birthing children so they withdrew from such communions with the "spirit" world. And so only the men would get high and get those visions and so forth, which resulted in relgions appearing to be male dominated, which concept continued later even when religions stopped using those drugs - with the exception of wine.

[rcne]

Techno, are you talking about the shamans? Have you per chance read the "Dead Sea Scrolls", I think it is pretty obvious what the womens role would be in that time. The trouble is it is still carried forward up to today.

Phoenix_fire, I read you post, I don't recall that scripture, but see your point on the new testament equality.

[Technosoul]

Techno, are you talking about the shamans? Have you per chance read the "Dead Sea Scrolls", I think it is pretty obvious what the womens role would be in that time. The trouble is it is still carried forward up to today.

Phoenix_fire, I read you post, I don't recall that scripture, but see your point on the new testament equality.

I did find some evidence where the texts seemed to suggest that Mary M. was concidered as a disciple of Jesus, and was thought to have understood his message better then some of the other male disciples. Some have suggested that this was just accepted by the Gnostic branch of the then flowering out of the Christain momentum. That is to say - pre- English occupation of that religion.

There was also something called the "mystery religion" and I do not know much about it. Where they added (in secret) some mushrooms to the wine so that people would have a "religious vision", they did that only once when someone was being indoctranated into the faith. Perhaps that was a version of the ancient religion as performed in Babylon?

Zen and the art of motorcycle maintanence is another interesting book. (unrelated notation).

Women have always played a key role in creating the main concepts related in the Bible.

Eve had a vision of the serpent and the tree of knowledge between good and evil.

Mother Mary had a vision of an angel telling her about her virgin birth of Jesus.

And disciple Mary M. had a vision about Jesus rising from his grave.

Those three visions were paramount in the formulation of the Christian doctrines.

And yes, it was mostly what we now call the shaman religions that used those substances for vision quests. Being prehistoric it is assumed by those who map out history that our modern religions evolved from those older versions. But needless to say some of our modern religions would not agree with that historical overview. But we do know that wine and beer was being employed during the days when much of the older biblical texts were written. And even became part of the rituals used in those religions. I am not sure what influence that might have had. Wino-ism? hmm?

Perhaps only Noah knows?

[SoccerfreakAB2]

Jesus actually did more to promote women than people tend to realize. I know that a lot of traditional hardliners will get mad at me for saying this, but you may have noticed by now that I'm not your average Christian. Those who tend to put down women often do so on the basis of different things that Paul says about procedure. Unfortunately, these people have done a poor exegesis.

You can look and look for all the "equality" passages you want, but you can't ignore all the ones that are filled with the degradation of women in the early Jewish and later Christian society.

[phoenix_fire]

The original reason women did not take part in some so-called religious rituals, in the begining days, was because they used brews and mind expanding plant life, and mushrooms, for their vision quests, that is why if someone gets spiritual people will laugh and say "pass me the joint".

Are you still sour about your poem?