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**Pooeypants** · Sep 13, 2005, 04:44 pm

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First you claim that my take on the "true believers" is nothing but a conspiracy theory, then you do exactly what I said that the "true believers" do. It would be funny if it weren't so sad. Then you claim that there is no debating with me.

There is no point, remember that time when you were adamant that human activity had nothing to do with the rise in CO2 levels since the industrial revolution? You didn't like it when I showed that data that contradicted your beliefs.

You can label me whatever you want, it doesn't change the debate and I'm pretty used to those sort of tactics.

Pale RIder · Sep 14, 2005, 07:25 am

I am going to have to be away from my computer for a short time. My wife had an auto accident a month or so ago and got some neck injuries that have taken a turn for the worse. She is going to need surgury. Hopefully, we will be home by monday. I will continue this conversation then. Later

THE CHODE · Nov 20, 2005, 11:03 pm

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This graph shows pretty clearly that the present is quite cool relative to the rest of the earth's history.

For much of the earth's hisory, alligators swam in the marshes in Europe...it would have to get a whole lot warmer than it is now in order to support alligators again...

Pale Rlder I am new here and have no scientific background but I know enough to see that you are everyones dad on this site.

Walmas · Nov 21, 2005, 08:34 am

well the average temprature is rising. 2 degrees in the gulf of mexico over the last 100 years. This temprature is the highest its been recorded in the gulf is the same year there are alot of hurricanes. Where i live its 60 normally its about 10-20 degrees thats global warming.

US Independent · Nov 22, 2005, 05:08 pm

Global warming is what liberals love because it gives them the chance to go Bush Bashing, I do not believe in Global warming. 20 years ago the same researchers were telling us we were going to freeze now we are going to die of heat stroke. Make up their mind. Until then global warming is the politically correct term for "summer"

**Pooeypants** · Nov 22, 2005, 05:29 pm

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Global warming is what liberals love because it gives them the chance to go Bush Bashing, I do not believe in Global warming. 20 years ago the same researchers were telling us we were going to freeze now we are going to die of heat stroke. Make up their mind. Until then global warming is the politically correct term for "summer"

The great thing about science is that it is not infallible, we change with every new bit of data so we can progress and not get stuck in the past.

Walmas · Nov 22, 2005, 08:11 pm

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Global warming is what liberals love because it gives them the chance to go Bush Bashing, I do not believe in Global warming. 20 years ago the same researchers were telling us we were going to freeze now we are going to die of heat stroke. Make up their mind. Until then global warming is the politically correct term for "summer"

Okay well its not only liberals. IF you pay attention to world politics people sense this is a problem. Major scientist now know alot more about the earth than 20 years ago. Also global warming is just a nice fuzzy name for massive climate change. This name is also misleading. In global warming the average temprature of the world will rise but that doesnt mean that the whole world will warm up. Some places will become alot colder while others become warmer.

PatrickHenry · Nov 23, 2005, 03:01 am

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This name is also misleading. In global warming the average temprature of the world will rise but that doesnt mean that the whole world will warm up. Some places will become alot colder while others become warmer.

http://www.truthout.org/issues_05/112105EC.shtml
Right you are...

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Greenland's glaciers have begun to race towards the ocean, leading scientists to predict that the vast island's ice cap is approaching irreversible meltdown, The Independent on Sunday can reveal.

Research to be published in a few days' time shows how glaciers that have been stable for centuries have started to shrink dramatically as temperatures in the Arctic have soared with global warming. On top of this, record amounts of the ice cap's surface turned to water this summer.

The two developments - the most alarming manifestations of climate change to date - suggest that the ice cap is melting far more rapidly than scientists had thought, with immense consequences for civilisation and the planet. Its complete disappearance would raise the levels of the world's seas by 20 feet, spelling inundation for London and other coastal cities around the globe, along with much of low-lying countries such as Bangladesh.

More immediately, the vast amount of fresh water discharged into the ocean as the ice melts threatens to shut down the Gulf Stream, which protects Britain and the rest of northern Europe from a freezing climate like that of Labrador.

The revelations, which follow the announcement that the melting of sea ice in the Arctic also reached record levels this summer, come as the world's governments are about to embark on new negotiations about how to combat global warming.

Nono · Nov 23, 2005, 05:01 am

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The vast amount of fresh water discharged into the ocean as the ice melts threatens to shut down the Gulf Stream, which protects Britain and the rest of northern Europe from a freezing climate like that of Labrador.

This has happened in the past, and happened with extreme suddenness. No one can know for sure whether it will be this year, or in 50 years, or at all. But when it occurred in the past it was in just such conditions.

And any of you Merkins rubbing your hands with glee about this happening to Europe had better not be living on the eastern seaboard of the US, cos it'll happend to you too.

PatrickHenry · Nov 23, 2005, 05:13 am

Not me, I live in Shangrila...

Nono · Nov 23, 2005, 07:12 am

Yeah, you guys are fully occupied with tsunamis and volcanic eruptions. To each his specialty.:)

CoffeeSaint · Nov 23, 2005, 09:14 am

Yeah, Hawaii is at no risk from a 20 ft. rise in sea level . . .
The Pacific Northwest doesn't get any heat from the Gulf Stream, but I doubt we'd get off easy. I'm already cold; I don't want to think about an ice age. On the plus side, I've been reading back through old threads , and a couple of guys in the "Life begins at conception" thread seem pretty sure that everyone on Earth can live in Texas. (Don't know how to link to a post -- #747 in that thread) Personally, I live on the banks of the Columbia River; wanna bet I get flooded out when the ice caps go?

Nono · Nov 23, 2005, 10:34 am

Like this:

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Texas is hardly a "wasteland." Have you ever been to the Gulf Coast or the Hill country? East Texas? I think you are lumping ALL of Texas in with El Paso...

Do the research--the entire population of the world could fit into Texas. Every PERSON could have a
space the size of a mobile home in which to live. That leaves the REST of the world for farming and waste. Not much of an "overpopulation" problem.

This is a demographically sophisticated version of the statement "Hayl, back'n Texas this'd be nuthin but a fillin' station!"

Yes, maybe Texas should be wall-to-wall mobile homes. But you'd have one bitch of a sewage problem. :)

PatrickHenry · Nov 23, 2005, 01:26 pm

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Yes, maybe Texas should be wall-to-wall mobile homes. But you'd have one bitch of a sewage problem.

Not to mention the redneck trailer trash...

Compugasm · Nov 23, 2005, 02:35 pm

Obviously, the solution is to place all the things that cause pollution, in countries that don't have the laws to enforce environmental protection.

Sep 14, 2005, 07:25 am	#82 (permalink) (top)
Pale RIder Hot Lava Posts: 1,022	I am going to have to be away from my computer for a short time. My wife had an auto accident a month or so ago and got some neck injuries that have taken a turn for the worse. She is going to need surgury. Hopefully, we will be home by monday. I will continue this conversation then. Later It may be that your sole purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

Nov 21, 2005, 08:34 am	#84 (permalink) (top)
Walmas Igneous Magma Posts: 349	well the average temprature is rising. 2 degrees in the gulf of mexico over the last 100 years. This temprature is the highest its been recorded in the gulf is the same year there are alot of hurricanes. Where i live its 60 normally its about 10-20 degrees thats global warming. Dont pray in my school and i wont think in your church.

Nov 22, 2005, 05:08 pm	#85 (permalink) (top)
US Independent Crazy and Lazy Location: I live in Forsyth Montana a town with about 2,000 people Posts: 176	Global warming is what liberals love because it gives them the chance to go Bush Bashing, I do not believe in Global warming. 20 years ago the same researchers were telling us we were going to freeze now we are going to die of heat stroke. Make up their mind. Until then global warming is the politically correct term for "summer" "Two roads diverged in a yellow wood...and I, I took the one less traveled by and that made all the difference."

Nov 23, 2005, 05:13 am	#90 (permalink) (top)
PatrickHenry 9/11: Inside Job Location: Hawai'i, Big Island Posts: 10,437	Not me, I live in Shangrila... "Arms in the hands of the citizens may be used at individual discretion for the defense of the country, the overthrow of tyranny or private self-defense." -- John Adams

Nov 23, 2005, 07:12 am	#91 (permalink) (top)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,696	Yeah, you guys are fully occupied with tsunamis and volcanic eruptions. To each his specialty.:) "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Nov 23, 2005, 09:14 am	#92 (permalink) (top)
CoffeeSaint Moral Turnip Location: Oregon, US Posts: 2,283	Yeah, Hawaii is at no risk from a 20 ft. rise in sea level . . . The Pacific Northwest doesn't get any heat from the Gulf Stream, but I doubt we'd get off easy. I'm already cold; I don't want to think about an ice age. On the plus side, I've been reading back through old threads , and a couple of guys in the "Life begins at conception" thread seem pretty sure that everyone on Earth can live in Texas. (Don't know how to link to a post -- #747 in that thread) Personally, I live on the banks of the Columbia River; wanna bet I get flooded out when the ice caps go? "Would you like some pie, Dr. Stark?" "Science is my pie. Curiosity, my sweet tooth. Knowledge is my candy."

Nov 23, 2005, 02:35 pm	#95 (permalink) (top)
Compugasm Son of X51 Location: San Diego Posts: 3,586	Obviously, the solution is to place all the things that cause pollution, in countries that don't have the laws to enforce environmental protection.