I have always found that when people ring my door tell and want to pray with me or tell me about Jesus, that if I tell them that my coven is about to conduct a planning meeting for our weekend ritual in about 15 minutes and invite them to have a cup of coffee and join in, and I flair my nostrils, open my eyes wide, and grin, they run backwards for quite some distance before sprinting off around the corner.Quote by: Son of Belial
My personal favorite defense was a pet goose I used to own.
It's a long story. Don't ask.
The point is, geese seem to really dislike the religious sales people, while only getting slightly pissed off by anyone else.
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One time I was honest with the JWs that came to my door. I told them that I was a former JW and now I worship the Egyptian gods. When they inquired why, I began picking out contradictions and stories of great injustice in the Bible and asked them to explain them. They told me "I hope someday you return to Jah" and left.
lol. I have a friend whos hobby is arguing with JW's.
on another note people should check out this site:
http://www.skepticsannotatedbible.com/
it basically shows all the parts that contridict themselves all the parts that seem cool and all the nasty stuff.
Dont pray in my school and i wont think in your church.
Yeah, that's a pretty old site, but it still gets updated regularly. evilbible.com is a good resource as well.
Well as im reading all of these lovely comments...i still have my objection..and ooops am soryy for the spelling errors....but if ur altheist...how can u possibly understand the meaning of god in the eyes of those who arent...are u willing to go before a chruch or people that take the way of religion as a way of life and a reason of being, rather than some issue to be debated oh, and say because the alternative just seems logical?
Faith is not just some calculation or folly in the human psyche. or something created by faillible humans..if u hope for things..its faith...when hope for that job or whatever the case my be your using faith...
Also, no dout is there some..alteration to the bible...and dont assume by my statement that i take it literal...(is that some mistake by fallible humans...damn right) and how is it that an atheist refers to
the bible to contradict or depict some sort of alterative meaning if they dont regard religion ..isnt that in itself a contradiction? wouldnt you have to believe in order to accept...
In the case of those that believe science can explain everything consider this...a women gave birth to a a baby that stopped breathing for about 45min. after he was pronounced dead...the babys grandmother entered the room to hold him one last time..after about 5 mins the baby began regaining his color and a hearbeat was noticed...the child is now 7 years...til this days doctors cant explain, through science how he came back...but i gues your gonna pick at that too..maybe with a few verses or scriptures from a Biology text book?
But in short...to all those that firmly hold the ground of science and that God is a just an excuse for some people to have a source of hope, faith and its explanation to unexplainable things so be it...all i have to say is wait one more year...and for the those that are very familiar about revelation...then through science explain the events that will/does go on.
For everything there is a season...
You finished?
I doubt that. Many people have been dead for several minutes and been revived. Scientists may not understand the exact mechanism in play in every case, but it still doesn't require a supernatural explanation.doctors cant explain, through science how he came back
I can't comment on what else you said because I'm not sure I'm reading it correctly. Is English not your first language? (not trying to be rude, just asking)
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"Gimme that old-time biology..."with a few verses or scriptures from a Biology text book?
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[Terry Pratchett]
No I can better. Wait your whole life. Just believe in God, and maybe, just maybe, you might believe in him. Oh wait, believing in him would mean you believe in him already. See, I don't see how you can give religion a "try." It's not a freaking piece of food waiting to be tried, it's a commitment for desire.
Your right, if you hope for things, that's faith. Hope. Hope. Hope. You hope that God will make your life better, and if he doesn't than you might as well try again. Then finally, something goes right, I mean its probably bound to, but you don't care, you're just happy that since you prayed to God and it worked, you're going to keep doing it, and for some reason you're obsessed with that rationale.
Sorry if we're too logical for you, but grow up and get out of that hole your parents and priests have dug for you. I know it's hard, and it's quite a leap when you get older, but find objectivity, find morals through humanity and not some Bible or Koran. You seem young, so it shouldn't be too hard, you still have those rebelling qualities of youth. So use them and explore what your too ignorant to understand.
Well, good for you.What objection is that and to what are you objecting? It seems silly to object to science in my opinion, unless, of course, you can present some empirical evidence.My younger son was a bad speller. He used to have me proof read his work in high school. Yet, in college he made the Dean's list 4 times and earned two undergraduate degrees. I think the point is that you don't try to learn.What does that mean?Ah! I see. You were saying, "but if you are an atheist." OK, then. Well, simply because one must have a concept of god to reject it. Perhaps you would like to enlighten us as to the "meaning of god."I have no idea of what you said there. What does church, religion, way of life, or reason "of" being have to do with evolution?Absolutely not. Faith is accepted without any logical basis whatsoever. It is far from some mathematical calculation.What? Religion is exactly that. An invention of humans. Humans created the mythology to explain what wasn't understood.That's silly. Perhaps you should learn a little about faith before you speak.
Again I am befuddled by gibberish. Are you claiming that someone who doesn't believe can't point out Biblical contradictions?But I don't know anyone who "believes" that.What does that have to do with science and religion? I suspect that the story is apocryphal. I'm certainly not going to accept your word that it ever happened. I think you may have been duped.And yet once more I am befuddled by babble. What did that mean? What does science have to do with a belief in god? Why would any scientist object to faith?And I am confident that you will return to this board in another year and explain why things went wrong. You will explain why these events that you expect won't happen. I now understand why you can't spell.
The Bible is a story.
I can't agree that this is Faith. I'd call it loyalty. Joe may HOPE they do well. Joe may WANT them to do well. But he's not going around telling his friends every year that the Astros are going to win the World Series. THAT would be faith. Faith != Hope
Right On.
Also correct if you mean that both religion and the scientific method are ways of knowing and understanding our world. Given that, it's not logical to mix them unless they always arrive at the same answer. If one provides more accurate answers/explanations, then drop the one that's failing you.
Dead wrong. Hope is not faith. Hope is wanting or desiring something. Faith is believing is something without evidence or in the face of contradictory evidence.
If I buy a lotto ticket I HOPE I win but I don't BELIEVE that I'll win. That's not faith. That's just optimism. If I truly believed that I would win I'd start spending like mad.
You may HOPE that God exists but that's not faith. You have faith only if you truly believe that God exists. Huge difference.
I myself have faith in nothing. I hope for a lot but I have no faith what-so-ever. I think faith, as defined above, is evil.
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