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Mark A Shrider · Sep 8, 2005, 05:28 pm

E85 Now Sold In Toledo

It's called E85, 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gas, and it's now being pumped at the Sterling Store on Alexis Rd. next to Powertrain. Ohio Department of Agriculture Director Fred Dailey says ethanol use in Ohio will now increase with more vehicles being able to run on it, and the alternative fuel infrastructure being put into place. Dailey says besides lowering dependence on foreign oil, this will be a boost for Ohio corn growers. While only vehicles with flexible fuel engines can operate with E85, Sterling Store officials say it'll be anywhere between 20-40 cheaper than regular unleaded gas on any given day. The Toledo store is believed to be just the second outlet for ethanol in Ohio.

Currently it is $1.85

Here's a link to find out if you have an E85 compatible vehicle:
http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php

Here's a link to FAQs about E85:
http://www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/ethanol_5a.html

I haven't been following this intently. Although, I did recently read an article based on a study from, I believe, Columbian University on this topic. Their claim was it used more fossil fuel to make ethanol than it does to make gasoline.

It's good to know that this technology isn't just being "looked" into. It's a reality right now. I hope soon more, if not all, vehicles will be able to accept E85 fuel.

I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

**Sean** · Sep 8, 2005, 07:18 pm

Moved this topic to Science.

How much clearer do I have to be with the rules for the "Latest News" forum?

tman_ndsu08 · Sep 8, 2005, 07:55 pm

Ethanol is nothing more than a farming subsidy.

Simply put, pure ethanol does not have the energy density that we're looking for to run our automobiles. If we ran pure ethanol we'd only get 5 miles per gallon or something to that effect.

Hydrogen is the way to go.

LemonButt · Sep 9, 2005, 04:32 am

105 octane? Wow. Ironically, Toyota isn't on the list of cars that can use E85 (which I own).

**Chris** · Sep 11, 2005, 12:00 am

E85 is also sold here in Nashville (albeit one pump in the entire city) It sold for $1.95 before the jig was up and people hoarded it and sucked it dry (like America does with gas in general)

Sad.

Osborn F Enready · Sep 11, 2005, 12:56 pm

While I think Biodiesel is a great start, I believe people need to closely look, and compare statistics.

For instance:
Compare hemp, to corn for the purpose of fuel, or 25,000 other uses.
http://www.hempcar.org/hempfacts.shtml

Facts about Hemp and Marijuana, and why laws created for illogical reasons are hampering progress:
http://www.hempcar.org/untoldstory/index.html
http://www.hempcar.org/hempban.shtml

Site devoted to Hemps legalization based on sensible industrial, and fuel usage:
http://www.artistictreasure.com/learnmorecleanair.html

$100,000 dollars if you can prove hemp ISN'T the best biodiesel alternative fuel.
http://www.hemp4fuel.com/nontesters/hemp4fuel/

Basic Industrial Uses of Hemp:
http://www.thehia.org/faqs/faq7.htm

IT is all but obvious to some of us, that the government has been outlawing hemp since the beginning to aid certain industries that have contributed ENORMOUSLY to the coffers of Washingtons political machine since the early 1900's.

The arguments used to build the case against hemp and marijuana were all built on mis-information that has been proven time and again. Prohibition has been PROVEN to fail, regardless of the amount of dollars and lives expended in the "War on Drugs" campaign. Our justice system is showing the toll, and burden, from non-violent drug offenders being imprisoned with the same priority as violent offenders.

We use trees, which are not only a valuable resource, but also ESSENTIAL to our property development, soil health, air quality and climate, instead of using hemp to provide paper. Hemp is more beneficial and productive to use for paper than wood, and much less costly to the end buyer. Hemp paper need not be starched white, as wood, which as a byproduct of its use reduces chemical abuse to the land from bleaching methods of wood products for paper.

We use oil, which must be bought from often hostile foreign lands, has cost us many wars, and global conflict based on energy crisis panic, instead of using hemp based bio-diesel, which is far more productive than corn, per yield.

Now they want to use corn, a viable food crop, for industrial use. Hemp is much more productive than corn for bio-diesel, and land is a commodity. Why would we destroy more land for farming than necessary, especially when the industrial uses for hemp far surpass the small advantage of ONE more use for corn. Legalizing hemp, and marijuana would re-boom the farm market to an unprecedented level in this nation since food preservatives were discovered.

This countries (USA) resources have been being bled dry, for no good reason OTHER THAN profit, and that is just plain madness, especially when considering the additional toxic toll on the land for these processes.

I am a die-hard muscle-car afficianado. I will always prefer 8 cylinders to anything less for my engine in ANY car. I insist on buying vehicles that not only function, but appeal to me and my intrests. I spend a lot of money on my car, when money is available. I customize, modify, create and perfect my cars, as opposed to spending large dollars for something that is "close" to what I want. I demand performance, as well as efficiency, since anyone that knows ANYTHING about engines understands the balance of power and efficiency.

For these reasons, as well as my Constitutional rights, I support hempfuel, bio-diesel based on hemp, the legalization of hemp for all purposes, and the decriminalization of all existing drugs. I believe prohibition of any kind of substance for ingestion, is absurd based on historical facts, and lessons proven.

Milton Bradley · Sep 12, 2005, 07:59 am

I have yet to hear anybody state the fact that ethanol is using up more crude oil than just burning the gasoline, or diesel fuel that you would have used to power your mode of transportation anyway.

Its all a scam to further our dependence on foreign oil. ...and such a timely lie at that.

**Chris** · Sep 12, 2005, 09:14 am

Wonder why Bush wants it so much.

Osborn F Enready · Sep 12, 2005, 12:00 pm

While I do feel it is too little too late, it is one small step toward more fuel independence. I believe if this process is brought to full development, the oil derived fuels used for production of BioDiesel could shift to other types of fuel.

As of now, its a little early to say, and I know far too little of the overall process, but to me it seems like a very small step in the right direction for many reasons, one being the boost to the farm industry, and the aid in the push to legalize both hemp, and marijuana.

Milton Bradley · Sep 12, 2005, 03:57 pm

Too bad the small family farm had to die before we came up with a plan to put some money in the pockets of farmers.

Now all the profits will go to large corporations.

Sep 8, 2005, 05:28 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Mark A Shrider Sedimentary Rock Posts: 17	E85 Now Sold In Toledo E85 Now Sold In Toledo It's called E85, 85 percent ethanol and 15 percent gas, and it's now being pumped at the Sterling Store on Alexis Rd. next to Powertrain. Ohio Department of Agriculture Director Fred Dailey says ethanol use in Ohio will now increase with more vehicles being able to run on it, and the alternative fuel infrastructure being put into place. Dailey says besides lowering dependence on foreign oil, this will be a boost for Ohio corn growers. While only vehicles with flexible fuel engines can operate with E85, Sterling Store officials say it'll be anywhere between 20-40 cheaper than regular unleaded gas on any given day. The Toledo store is believed to be just the second outlet for ethanol in Ohio. Currently it is $1.85 Here's a link to find out if you have an E85 compatible vehicle: http://www.e85fuel.com/e85101/flexfuelvehicles.php Here's a link to FAQs about E85: http://www.iowacorn.org/ethanol/ethanol_5a.html I haven't been following this intently. Although, I did recently read an article based on a study from, I believe, Columbian University on this topic. Their claim was it used more fossil fuel to make ethanol than it does to make gasoline. It's good to know that this technology isn't just being "looked" into. It's a reality right now. I hope soon more, if not all, vehicles will be able to accept E85 fuel. I would appreciate your thoughts on this.

Sep 8, 2005, 07:18 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	Moved this topic to Science. How much clearer do I have to be with the rules for the "Latest News" forum? So it goes

Sep 11, 2005, 12:00 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
Chris Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,281	E85 is also sold here in Nashville (albeit one pump in the entire city) It sold for $1.95 before the jig was up and people hoarded it and sucked it dry (like America does with gas in general) Sad. Delusion- A persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. (i.e. religion) Shared via G reader Blog

Sep 11, 2005, 12:56 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	While I think Biodiesel is a great start, I believe people need to closely look, and compare statistics. For instance: Compare hemp, to corn for the purpose of fuel, or 25,000 other uses. http://www.hempcar.org/hempfacts.shtml Facts about Hemp and Marijuana, and why laws created for illogical reasons are hampering progress: http://www.hempcar.org/untoldstory/index.html http://www.hempcar.org/hempban.shtml Site devoted to Hemps legalization based on sensible industrial, and fuel usage: http://www.artistictreasure.com/learnmorecleanair.html $100,000 dollars if you can prove hemp ISN'T the best biodiesel alternative fuel. http://www.hemp4fuel.com/nontesters/hemp4fuel/ Basic Industrial Uses of Hemp: http://www.thehia.org/faqs/faq7.htm IT is all but obvious to some of us, that the government has been outlawing hemp since the beginning to aid certain industries that have contributed ENORMOUSLY to the coffers of Washingtons political machine since the early 1900's. The arguments used to build the case against hemp and marijuana were all built on mis-information that has been proven time and again. Prohibition has been PROVEN to fail, regardless of the amount of dollars and lives expended in the "War on Drugs" campaign. Our justice system is showing the toll, and burden, from non-violent drug offenders being imprisoned with the same priority as violent offenders. We use trees, which are not only a valuable resource, but also ESSENTIAL to our property development, soil health, air quality and climate, instead of using hemp to provide paper. Hemp is more beneficial and productive to use for paper than wood, and much less costly to the end buyer. Hemp paper need not be starched white, as wood, which as a byproduct of its use reduces chemical abuse to the land from bleaching methods of wood products for paper. We use oil, which must be bought from often hostile foreign lands, has cost us many wars, and global conflict based on energy crisis panic, instead of using hemp based bio-diesel, which is far more productive than corn, per yield. Now they want to use corn, a viable food crop, for industrial use. Hemp is much more productive than corn for bio-diesel, and land is a commodity. Why would we destroy more land for farming than necessary, especially when the industrial uses for hemp far surpass the small advantage of ONE more use for corn. Legalizing hemp, and marijuana would re-boom the farm market to an unprecedented level in this nation since food preservatives were discovered. This countries (USA) resources have been being bled dry, for no good reason OTHER THAN profit, and that is just plain madness, especially when considering the additional toxic toll on the land for these processes. I am a die-hard muscle-car afficianado. I will always prefer 8 cylinders to anything less for my engine in ANY car. I insist on buying vehicles that not only function, but appeal to me and my intrests. I spend a lot of money on my car, when money is available. I customize, modify, create and perfect my cars, as opposed to spending large dollars for something that is "close" to what I want. I demand performance, as well as efficiency, since anyone that knows ANYTHING about engines understands the balance of power and efficiency. For these reasons, as well as my Constitutional rights, I support hempfuel, bio-diesel based on hemp, the legalization of hemp for all purposes, and the decriminalization of all existing drugs. I believe prohibition of any kind of substance for ingestion, is absurd based on historical facts, and lessons proven. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Sep 12, 2005, 09:14 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Chris Gamma-ray burst Location: Nashville Posts: 6,281	Wonder why Bush wants it so much. Delusion- A persistent false belief held in the face of strong contradictory evidence. (i.e. religion) Shared via G reader Blog

Sep 8, 2005, 07:55 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Ethanol is nothing more than a farming subsidy. Simply put, pure ethanol does not have the energy density that we're looking for to run our automobiles. If we ran pure ethanol we'd only get 5 miles per gallon or something to that effect. Hydrogen is the way to go.

Sep 9, 2005, 04:32 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
LemonButt Molten Ash Location: Las Vegas, Nevada Posts: 34	105 octane? Wow. Ironically, Toyota isn't on the list of cars that can use E85 (which I own).

Sep 12, 2005, 07:59 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	I have yet to hear anybody state the fact that ethanol is using up more crude oil than just burning the gasoline, or diesel fuel that you would have used to power your mode of transportation anyway. Its all a scam to further our dependence on foreign oil. ...and such a timely lie at that.

Sep 12, 2005, 12:00 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Osborn F Enready Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873	While I do feel it is too little too late, it is one small step toward more fuel independence. I believe if this process is brought to full development, the oil derived fuels used for production of BioDiesel could shift to other types of fuel. As of now, its a little early to say, and I know far too little of the overall process, but to me it seems like a very small step in the right direction for many reasons, one being the boost to the farm industry, and the aid in the push to legalize both hemp, and marijuana. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready

Sep 12, 2005, 03:57 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Milton Bradley BANNED Location: Ohio Province, Rep. of Comerica Posts: 7,320	Too bad the small family farm had to die before we came up with a plan to put some money in the pockets of farmers. Now all the profits will go to large corporations.