gravity

[MerlinsByte]

Mr jackson you are 100% correct...see post #19....

[Flip Jackson]

Merlin writes..Ummm flip jackson was wrong and you have erred T man.

Sorry, this part lost me. I think you mixed up your words. I thought you were saying we were both wrong.

[MerlinsByte]

Merlin writes..Ummm flip jackson was wrong and you have erred T man.

by Mr jackson...Sorry, this part lost me. I think you mixed up your words. I thought you were saying we were both wrong.

mb writes...duh huh....wiping drool off mouth...yes i erred and that should read flip jackson was RIGHT and you have erred T man....twitch jerk....

; } > ..........mb

[Athena]

lesson- I will never enter the science forum again. And if my memory we better, I would completely avoid some of the posters any where too. In fact may be finding another fourm and dumping volcanvo is a good idea.

[Athena]

Quote by: Flip Jackson hey, i feel like I can add something here. It makes me feel good. Merlin is right. Gravity and magnetism are not related. When the big bang occured, four forces were created. Fist were the "weak force," the "strong force," and electromagnetism. I don't recal in what order. Then gravity finally showed up. This all happened in probably a fraction of a second, to our knowledge. Gravity is the weakest, I think followed by electromagnetism. Then weak force, and i can't actually recall what the weak force is, sorry. The strong force is the most powerful, but only effective in very closr proximity. For example the nucleus. It holds the protons and neutrons together. Sorry for the ramble, but it feels good to know something science. So, uh, yeah, Merlin was correct about the magnetism thing. The rest was just for your "gee wiz" collection. :)

The four basic forces that account for every action in the universe.

1. Nuclear binding force. This is the very strong force that holds the protons together in the atomic nucleus, and that is used for nuclear power, and bombs. It is the force that causes matter to form, basically.
2. Electromagnetic force which holds the electrons around the nucleus to form atoms.
It is responsible for all chemical processes as well as all electrical actions.
3. Gravitational force that holds matter together, as in the earth. Without it we would drift off into space, or would never have gathered enough matter to form life.
4. Radioactive decay force. This is the energy that is released when matter decays from its regular form and releases the energy that held it together.

[MerlinsByte]

The four basic forces that account for every action in the universe

Yes and Athena, after messing up my responses to Mr jackson, I dont know if you want my endorsment, but you are correct. ... ; } >

[ghost_stalker]

*Going back to the gravity subject*
If there are those force in the univers could gravity be decribed like the force binding protons & neutrons and such in an atom except on a bigger scale (and a bit weaker)? just say in this case that the protons and neutrons used in the first example are atoms in this one and the force holding the atoms together is weakened (by a percentage of something), ok so if protons and neutrons are held together by gravity, then gravity get weakers as the energy is used to attach atoms to other atoms (creating molecules, a strong force holding them together but weaker that attaching protons to neutrons), the force is weakened further between different molecules (but the molecules are generally attracted to each other, and have some sort of raduis in which the gravity energy is emitted from the molecule, and so on (look at the picture if the text is too confusing)
Click the link to see the picture
http://download.35mb.com/ghostalker/1.bmp
(sorry about the download, it safe though, just select to open the file instead of svaing it to concerve space)

[Milton Bradley]

Quote by: Athena The four basic forces that account for every action in the universe. 1. Nuclear binding force. This is the very strong force that holds the protons together in the atomic nucleus, and that is used for nuclear power, and bombs. It is the force that causes matter to form, basically. 2. Electromagnetic force which holds the electrons around the nucleus to form atoms. It is responsible for all chemical processes as well as all electrical actions. 3. Gravitational force that holds matter together, as in the earth. Without it we would drift off into space, or would never have gathered enough matter to form life. 4. Radioactive decay force. This is the energy that is released when matter decays from its regular form and releases the energy that held it together.

Clearly, the poster left out assholia.


There is definate evidence that this is the driving force behind many actions that could be accounted for no other way.

[SteveA]

Quote by: Athena There appears to be some really smart people posting here. I am not one of them. I am more of an 8 year old in an old body. I have a question, like children have questions. In a video of a simulated earthquake, I noticed the water in a fish bowl was rippling in circles. Could the physics of this circular rippling have anything to do with gravity?

It's possible. The formula for the strength of gravity versus the distance between the two bodies is identical to the intensity of light shining between the bodies (so you can view how strong gravitational attraction is by imagining each as a shining light source and the amount of light hitting the other body is proportional to the gravitational force).

Light happens to have wave light propertys and if a laser light were to shine from a single point, like gravity from a body, you would see waves of light similar to ripples on a pond expanding out of it.

I believe that gravitational forces also traveled at the speed of light as well, though they were testing this and I don't truly know if this was true but it gravity does travel at the speed of light then it could be viewed almost identically to bodies emitting waves of light (though a color we can't obviously see).

There's also another way of looking at gravity, instead of particles that are being emitted and pulling at things they hit, you could also view it bending space into something like a well, and things roll into it. I that case gravity could be viewed similar to someone shaking a blanket and balls on it rolling around depending on which way gravity (the slope of the sheet) bent.

Regarding the four forces, there were considered to be more in the past but people found ways of taking two different observed forces and merging them into a single action that was just viewed in different ways. The real goal is to find a single set of simple rules that seems to explain every possible phenomenon we've witnessed (and that would be a "Unified Theory of Everything" ... up until we stumbled upon the next unexplainable discovery ).

Regarding "black matter", my guess would be that this could effectively exist as energy on a minute scale that could be viewed as quantum phenomenon. I just love putting everything I can't understand as something that occurs on a small enough scale that we haven't been able to see the interactions yet ... it keeps everything tidy and unseen, so you don't have to "prove" any of it yet, until they get down to that scale.

Some other interesting theories were that weight and velocity were effectively particles. Einstein discovered that bodies moving very fast (close to the speed of light) weigh more as well. You could view this as space being bent near it and things falling in, or you could view is as if particles of motion are stuck to the object, that make it move fast but these motion particles also exist as mass/weight.

I haven't kept up with the latests test and findings though. Most this stuff has little practical application for the layperson anyway but it's very interesting to know that the universe doesn't operate as simply as we know it on a day to day basis. Kind of like Columbus believed the world was round instead of flat and showed that there truly was another world out there. (Maybe someday we'll find a way to talk with people in other dimensions, yet sitting right next to us ... who can say. I think technology will kill us all long before then .. I don't know if I'm joking on that one.)

[ghost_stalker]

Description
My Ideas (more detailed than above),(Please look at the picture before reading)
Summary of the image
Gravity can be described as the energy that binds protons and neutrons together
(This is the strongest level of 'gravity')
Then the energy that is not used for binding the protons and neutrons together is radiated from the atom (the protons and neutrons make up the atom) creating a gravity force (weaker than that holding the protons and neutrons together, and eminating from the part of the atom with the most effect of the higher gravity (the center of the atom, or directly in-between the protons and neutrons)
The same can be said for gravitational connections in-between atoms (which is conventional gravity), this explains how gravity pulls things to the center of the earth, its just pulling the atoms toward the most powerful part
Gravitational power between atoms might be able to be estimated like this:
Take the constant downward force of earths gravity, (im not sure of exactly how to combine these elemantes correctly to get the end result, so just bear with me) combine it with the number of atoms on earth, combine with the distance of the location of downward force movement measurment from the exact center of the earth from that point, combine with the number of atoms within the radius that is created from the location-core measurement.
And you should have some idea of how gravity is.

[ghost_stalker]

People were complaining about download and It wouldnt let me edit my previos messages (sorry for so many) but here is just the image itself

[Chris]

Quote by: Athena Also, light doesn't travel in a vaccum right?

Yes it does.

[Chris]

Quote by: tman_ndsu08 There's really on 3 forces now: electroweak, strong, and gravity.

Isn't it electromagnetic, weak, strong and gravity?

EDIT oh I see the other posts.