Does HIV cause AIDS?

[italiangm]

Mainstream thought asserts HIV causes AIDS. There are three alternate theories about HIV's relationship with the catastrophic immune collapse we now call AIDS that doesn't get much press. For your review:

[1] HIV exists, is sexually transmitted, infectious and pathogenic, but can only destroy the immune system in the presence of chemical, physical, biological, mental, and/or nutritional co-factors.

[2] HIV is a harmless retrovirus and therefore not the cause, but just another opportunistic infection that accompanies AIDS. A harmless passenger on the train, if you will, not the driver.

[3] HIV doesn't exist and therefore cannot be sexually transmitted nor is it pathogenic. The various lab phenomena (antibodies, proteins, DNA) that are collectively known as HIV are nothing more biochemical symptoms/markers/waste byproducts of immune breakdown.

Here's some reading material:

http://robertogiraldo.com/eng/papers/TheCausesOfAids.html

What do you think?

[PatrickHenry]

Len Horowitz says that HIV was created in a US Bioweapons lab. I have no doubt that the virologists responsible were able to do as they were ordered in making a deadly new disease, AIDS.

[Gorgo]

It seems to me that the crowd that says that HIV does not cause AIDS doesn't have much credibility.

http://www.quackwatch.org/04Consumer.../hiv-aids.html

[italiangm]

OK folks. Let me be absolutely clear here. This is a serious subject. You must follow Volconvo's rules to participate in this thread. Anything else will result in an abuse report.

Even Jebus' response would've been acceptible if a cite had been provided to support his assertion.

Keep your response serious and on-topic or go elsewhere. I'm not kidding.

[tman_ndsu08]

The NY Press is meant for entertainment, not for citing credible information.

If this pops up in the USA Today, let me know.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Gorgo It seems to me that the crowd that says that HIV does not cause AIDS doesn't have much credibility.

Not surprising. Government, big pharma, and the rest of the AIDS orthodoxy have too much to lose.

Heck, no one will even fund studies of oxidative stress despite agreement that it is a major player in immune suppression progression. *shrug*

[Gorgo]

I don't know enough about it. I did look at some of the ideas that AIDS was really syphilis, which is was the most talked about 'alternative' idea that I heard about and had to reach the tentative conclusion that this wasn't worth much.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Gorgo I don't know enough about it. I did look at some of the ideas that AIDS was really syphilis, which is was the most talked about 'alternative' idea that I heard about and had to reach the tentative conclusion that this wasn't worth much.

Syphillis by itself isn't likely to cause chronic immune collapse.

But couple the effects of syphillis with other disease, poor nutrition, inadequate rest, excess stress, environmental toxins, an/or recreational/prescription drugs -- then immune collapse becomes a reality.

[Gorgo]

I know, and I understand the concern, but doctors have families, and I don't think that there's any big conspiracy here. I am not a doctor or a scientist, so I defer to greater minds, but I wouldn't put too much stock in any of it.

[italiangm]

Okie dokie. :)

[jose]

i dont know much about HIV/AIDS but i look forward to your views on this.
AIDS is man-made - Interview with Dr. Boyd Graveshttp://www.finalcall.com/artman/publish/article_1597.shtml


http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp...es_maathai.htm

[Prometheus]

This is ridiculous. It has clear simean (monkey) roots. I just attended a presentation from a professor of genetics at my university about HIV/AIDS. He sequenced all the known strains of HIV/AIDS and did a phylogenetic comparison. He was able to *clearly* demonstrate that in the last 60 years the human form of HIV/AIDS has evolved from a monkey virus. Where does it tie in with the monkeys? Polio vaccine. Monkey blood serum was used to produce the vaccine back during the war on polio. It took 35 years for the virus to evolve to a deadly form, but as soon as it did, it started an epidemic.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: Prometheus Where does it tie in with the monkeys? Polio vaccine. Monkey blood serum was used to produce the vaccine back during the war on polio. It took 35 years for the virus to evolve to a deadly form, but as soon as it did, it started an epidemic.

The Belgians, right? Ran a lab in the Congo. I remember seeing a documentary on this. Interesting stuff.

[italiangm]

It is my understanding that SIV-40, the virus that traveled along during polio vaccine creation from chopped-up chimpanzee kidneys as the growth medium, was not harmful to simians.

If it didn't hurt monkeys, why would it hurt humans? Perhaps it's just a harmless passenger virus?

[Prometheus]

Quote by: italiangm It is my understanding that SIV-40, the virus that traveled along during polio vaccine creation from chopped-up chimpanzee kidneys as the growth medium, was not harmful to simians.

It can also be found in kidneys. My professor used blood though. His findings will be published in Science soon by the way. As far as anyone can tell this is a conclusive answer.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Prometheus It can also be found in kidneys.

The original polio vaccine that is attributed to HIV creation was created in monkey kidneys.

Quote by: Prometheus My professor used blood though. His findings will be published in Science soon by the way. As far as anyone can tell this is a conclusive answer.

Of origin/transmission, perhaps. Not of immune collapse.

[lsbskins1]

Quote by: italiangm Of origin/transmission, perhaps. Not of immune collapse.

Could mutation be the answer? Or perhaps it was one of those bugs that become lethal when they jump species. Not lethal to the original host, but lethal to the new host?

[Prometheus]

Quote by: italiangm Of origin/transmission, perhaps. Not of immune collapse.

Of course. This would be very interesting to study though.

[italiangm]

Quote by: lsbskins1 Could mutation be the answer? Or perhaps it was one of those bugs that become lethal when they jump species. Not lethal to the original host, but lethal to the new host?

Could be, if HIV actually leads to the immune collapse we call AIDS.

[italiangm]

Quote by: Prometheus Of course. This would be very interesting to study though.

Agreed. If cross-species transmission of SV-40 is conclusively proven to have caused immune suppression in humans, there'll be hell to pay.

In "The River : A Journey to the Source of HIV and AIDS", Edward Hooper discovered the clinicians involved in vaccine production were aware of SV-40 and failed to eliminate it during the manufacturing process, even though they had the ability to do so.