More than a neutron star and less than a black hole

[MerlinsByte]

(note to mod. put this thread what ever cat. that is appro, it contains both science and a touch of god stuff)

The escape velocity of a black hole equals the speed of light. Any information or matter within the schwarzchilds radius can be said to be unknowable. (The Schwarzschild radius can be calculated using the equation for escape speed. vesc = (2GM/R)1/2).

For massless objects or photons in a wave state we can substitute c (the speed of light) for Vesc and find the Schwarzschild radius, R, to be R = 2GM/c2

I feel that all black holes could be portal to another anti-universe. A completely identical universe save that the anti universe is of course anti matter. Cosmologists have a serious problem today. 80% of their universe (our universe) is "missing." This universe anti universe twin could solve the 80-95% missing mass problem. Actually the anti universe could account for 100% of the missing mass. However, 0-30% of the mass binding the two universes would be manifested in Quantum gravity, superposition and other Quantum events.

As the big picture now stands there seems to be an agreement amongst cosmologists ,astronomers ,and theoretical physicists, that the number of universes are infinite (I disagree, because there are only enough universes for each observer i.e. souls) according to the M theory and superstring theory, most "learned" men tend to agree that our unverse (or what I say is a personal universe that each of us calls our own) is infinite in scope and this would dovetail nicely with the current theories.

mb

[Mr.Vicchio]

Black holes are the garbage bags of the universe, eventually, and I don't care what Hawkings or anyone else says, the black holes will congeal, literraly, until they reach critical mass and explode all over again. The universe is a recycling system. Every few hundred billion years it happens again.

[MerlinsByte]

By Mr.Vicchio …..Black holes are the garbage bags of the universe, eventually, and I don't care what Hawkings or anyone else says, the black holes will congeal, literraly, until they reach critical mass and explode all over again. The universe is a recycling system. Every few hundred billion years ….

I can't see why that couldn't happen. However there are stellar mass black holes and billion stellar mass black holes. Most found by calculating gravitational effects and by observing the mass that is turned into x rays and such as ordinary matter is pulled into the holes singularity. And remember that the black hole phenomena is only theory.

I think that hawking concluded that unless enough mass can be found, the universe it will continue to expand forever and the black holes will evaporate. However if this missing mass can be found the universe will either be static or rebound with the entire universe compressing to a tiny point and exploding into another big bang. I always did wonder why if the universe did compress again why a universe mass black hole and thus a singularity and thus the universe would not blink out of existence, instead of morphing into another big bang.

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte (note to mod. put this thread what ever cat. that is appro, it contains both science and a touch of god stuff) The escape velocity of a black hole equals the speed of light. Any information or matter within the schwarzchilds radius can be said to be unknowable. (The Schwarzschild radius can be calculated using the equation for escape speed. vesc = (2GM/R)1/2).

There is no escape velocity for a black hole. That is why it is called a black hole. It is black. There is no light coming from it. It sucks in all the light that gets close to it. It can only be detected by the effects it has on the objects around it but cannot be detected directly.

Merlin, I do not think you should be posting much of anything about science. You do not know anywhere near enough. Not even the most common information. Posting a few equations doesn't indicate that you understand anything at all about science.

Starboy

[MerlinsByte]

BY STARBOY THE UNLEARNED...There is no escape velocity for a black hole. That is why it is called a black hole. It is black. There is no light coming from it. It sucks in all the light that gets close to it. It can only be detected by the effects it has on the objects around it but cannot be detected directly.

by the learned and GREAT.(at least in my mind)..merlin...
Wrong again starchild. The two equations are grade school math that every 6th grade student should know, but that must exclude you, sorry for posting over your head.

Also I see that my English grammar is beyond your limited understanding. .... example my previous post that you didn't or couldn't read;

BY MERLINS However there are stellar mass black holes and billion stellar mass black holes. STARBOY READ SLOWLY VERY S-L-O-W-L-Y....Most found by calculating gravitational effects and by observing the mass that is turned into x rays and such as ordinary matter is pulled into the holes singularity......

STARBOY READ OVER AND OVER UNTIL YOU ARE ABLE TO COMPREHEND THE SENTENCE BEFORE MAKING A BIGGER FOOL OF YOUR SELF THAN YOU ALREADY HAVE, IF THAT IS POSSIBLE! ; } >

[Prometheus]

Ok ok , starboy made a mistake, but you are still full of it. In the "proof of god" thread you argued that cosmologists are bunk, making wild assumptions, and having no idea what is going on - providing only etherial answers. Now you are making assumptions about mirror image universes and totally theoretical stuff. Yah, the %80 could be in another universe, or it could be in dark matter, or it could be between my legs. While we are on wild speculation, lets say it's in your mothers ass. We don't know. You yourself have already said it - when it comes to this crap we are just farting in the wind.

[MerlinsByte]

Ok ok , starboy made a mistake,

Starboy mistaken? ....oh my god! And now my life is in shambles! Give me a gun ....Throwing wrist to forehead....all is lost! oh my..I cant take it no mo.

And remember this universe is stranger than fiction, my mothers ass might contain infinite universes, I know there is a lot of hydrogen sulfide gas up there, and may be that impacted turd is the missing mass...go figure. Or the missing mass may be the space where your brain used to be...now a total vacuum?...

Remember I usually place a disclaimer,if I do not forget, that reads to the effect that some of my fantastic threads are only my humble opinion...perhaps you too should take a nice pill before commenting my friend...

mb

[Prometheus]

Debate *is* based on opinion, but an opinion is only as valuable as the evidance/logic backing it. What you have is pure speculation - a meaningless opinion.

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte by the learned and GREAT.(at least in my mind)..merlin... Wrong again starchild. The two equations are grade school math that every 6th grade student should know, but that must exclude you, sorry for posting over your head.

Merlin it could be so far over my head that I might never be able to see it but that doesn't mean that you are still not full of shit.

Quote by: Wikipedia An object smaller than its Schwarzschild radius is called a black hole. The surface at the Schwarzschild radius acts as an event horizon. Neither light nor particles can escape through this surface from the region inside, hence the name black hole.

Quote by: Merlin The escape velocity of a black hole equals the speed of light.

Within the black hole there is no escape velocity. Escape velocity is the minimum velocity required to escape from the gravitational field. Nothing can escape from a black hole.

What you have presented is the (naive) method for calculating the Schwarzschild radius.

Quote by: Wikipedia The Schwarzschild radius or gravitational radius is a characteristic radius associated with every mass. The term is used in physics and astronomy, especially in the theory of gravitation, general relativity. It was found in 1916 by Karl Schwarzschild1 and results from his discovery of an exact solution for the gravitational field outside a static, spherically symmetric star (see Schwarzschild metric, which is a solution of the Einstein field equations). The Schwarzschild radius is proportional to the mass. The Sun has a Schwarzschild radius of approximately 3 km, the Earth's being approximately 9 mm.

All objects have a Schwarzschild radius. But a black hole is an object where the surface of the object is within the Schwarzschild radius.

Also I see that my English grammar is beyond your limited understanding. .... example my previous post that you didn't or couldn't read;

What does your stupidity and ignorance have to do with my limited English grammar. I could still be the most unskilled at English grammar in the world and that still would not mean that you are not a complete moron.

Merlin you are the master of the Ad Homenim. I think it is the only argument you know. To bad for you it is a fallacy and a very dishonest argument.

Starboy

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte Remember I usually place a disclaimer,if I do not forget, that reads to the effect that some of my fantastic threads are only my humble opinion...

In your case you should add that you do not have any idea of what you are talking about and do not care.

Starboy

[MerlinsByte]

The escape velocity of a black hole equals the speed of light. Any information or matter within the schwarzchilds radius can be said to be unknowable. (The Schwarzschild radius can be calculated using the equation for escape speed. vesc = (2GM/R)1/2). For massless objects or photons in a wave state we can substitute c (the speed of light) for Vesc and find the Schwarzschild radius, R, to be R = 2GM/c2

The reason I placed those equations were for anyone that might want to do some recreational math. Most laypeople are familiar with what is described as a stellar(s) mass black hole. So I didn’t think that I would need to indicate that everything has an s radius.

As usual you invite a rebuttal when you lash out in a personal attack rather than normal conversional banter. I honestly don’t think you are capable of rational conversation without slurs, put downs and disparaging remarks. What this does represent is a problem with something other than your petty disagreements with others posts. As it now stands you are wasting my air.

If I am wrong prove it. Otherwise feel free to comment in a constructive manner.

Mb

[MerlinsByte]

Debate *is* based on opinion, but an opinion is only as valuable as the evidance/logic backing it. What you have is pure speculation - a meaningless opinion.

No evidence?pure speculation? - a meaningless opinion ? Oh you mean like the non evidence that Alferd Wagner used to support his crazy idea that contients moved ? Yeah , I'm in good company then, and thanks ...

mb

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte The reason I placed those equations were for anyone that might want to do some recreational math. Most laypeople are familiar with what is described as a stellar(s) mass black hole. So I didn’t think that I would need to indicate that everything has an s radius.

Merlin, you just can't help it can you? The Schwarzschild radius has nothing to do with stellar mass. You can calculate the SR of a golf ball and if you could compress the matter to the point where the radius of the mass is within the SR it will be a black hole.

But it is so funny that you just will not learn to keep your trap shut when you do not know what you are talking about. My guess is that you spend most of your time around people who are even more ignorant than you are and they have given you a false sense that you know more than you actually do.

As usual you invite a rebuttal when you lash out in a personal attack rather than normal conversional banter. I honestly don’t think you are capable of rational conversation without slurs, put downs and disparaging remarks. What this does represent is a problem with something other than your petty disagreements with others posts. As it now stands you are wasting my air.

Reacting to profound ignorance that is parading as knowledge is a public service. Far too much of this nonsense is going on and people are starting to believe in the gibberish. Your continued displays of profound ignorance are ample evidence.

If I am wrong prove it. Otherwise feel free to comment in a constructive manner.

Merlin, I am not sure that you are capable of recognizing when you are wrong. You are so full of misinformation that it would take decades to sort it out.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

I love it when people do research for me so my lazy ass dosen't have to.

[MerlinsByte]

Merlin, you just can't help it can you? The Schwarzschild radius has nothing to do with stellar mass. You can calculate the SR of a golf ball and if you could compress the matter to the point where the radius of the mass is within the SR it will be a black hole.

merlin the fair responds...Starboy if you respond to my threads in a civilized manner I will answer you. I will not waste my time with your destructive, self serving , toxic, (to yourself only) rants.

[MerlinsByte]

love it when people do research for me so my lazy ass dosen't have to.

I love research when for a constructive endeavor. The Internet isn't now a good source for pure information because of the unreliable reference sourcing. I see this corruption of information becoming a huge problem for the net. I have uncovered some glaring errors on supposedly legitimate pure science and other (read creationist) sites.As I've said before weekly news periodicals and the AP UPI etc. is worse that the net . The library is much better (as compared to the Internet) .

mb

[Starboy]

Quote by: MerlinsByte I love research when for a constructive endeavor. The Internet isn't now a good source for pure information because of the unreliable reference sourcing. I see this corruption of information becoming a huge problem for the net. I have uncovered some glaring errors on supposedly legitimate pure science and other (read creationist) sites.As I've said before weekly news periodicals and the AP UPI etc. is worse that the net . The library is much better (as compared to the Internet) .

Merlin coming from you this is just pure irony. Please do not even try to pretend that you have the slightest interest in accurate information. Your idea of accurate information is information that only agrees with your magical world view. If you had any honesty you would not reject information simply becase it calls that magical world view into doubt.

Starboy

[samsara15]

Black Holes can evaporate - they emit Hawking's Radiation - end of reasonable discussion? It's in Wikipedia, among other sources.

[MerlinsByte]

BY SAMSARA...Black Holes can evaporate - they emit Hawking's Radiation - end of reasonable discussion? It's in Wikipedia, among other sources.

the end of reasonable discussion? It's the start of a much better one I suspect...

Yes, I have posted that very same theory by (and of give cedit to Steve...eh hee)..that is.. Stephen Hawking who sits in the chair that I....er' Newton once did... so to speak. to the usual suspects...and others that I may of offended by my lame stab at levity...

so...samsara...

I think the conclusion now, amounts learned cosmologists and astronomers, are that the universes will continue to expand and If Steve...ahhh Hawking theory is correct the BH will evaporate.

Are you saying that the H radiation comes from inside the singularity and thus it is something that can escape from it>? Or are you saying that
it comes from the local area around the singularity?

My understanding of the Hawking theory says the latter but I would be very...VERY interested if you have information that the HR dissipates from INSIDE the singularity!

thanks for your interesting response samsara


mb

[MerlinsByte]

by starboy...Merlin coming from you this is just pure irony. Please do not even try to pretend that you have the slightest interest in accurate information. Your idea of accurate information is information that only agrees with your magical world view. If you had any honesty you would not reject information simply becase it calls that magical world view into doubt.

Thanks that's better (i think)...All my information is as accurate as I can make them, and the same applies to my sources.

Science (not the pure sciences, but ones with giant holes and fatal flaws in them like evolution of the species, etc.) is magic also as they invoke unproven theories add a little deductive logic (very little) put in a dash of hopeful thinking and a big shot of God hate. Then, they cook and spin it mightily, frost it with some dumb (even to a k1 student) impossible to prove "evidence" and try to feed it to their captive guests hoping they can swallow it without getting vomit on their shoes....

No, its a magical world and universe, get used to it because you are a part of it.

thanks for toning down the rant

mb ; { >