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ThorfinnSS · Feb 13, 2004, 05:12 pm

For some time now I've been pondering why we, of all mammalian species, should have an odd number of ribs in the male, and an even number in the female (1 more than the man). Supposedly the big YHWH in the sky reached down and plucked one out to make the female from.

But as I said, its got me thinking. Perhaps it ties in with the search for the proverbial missing link. Could it be that some race of star-faring aliens stopped by in days gone by and did a spot of genetic engineering? Maybe a likely bunch of brachiating hominids were engineered to have the female in oestrus in almost the exact opposite schedule to all other mammals. Maybe the rib idea was like an artistic flourish by the project team involved.

I like to think that this group of roving aliens stopped by for a little graduate work in genetic engineering. For a young god-like alien, perhaps coursework would entail designing and building a progressively more complex set of beings to fit within the ecological niches that they were collectively evolving.

I can't wait for the secret messages encoded in the junk DNA of the Human genome to be decoded.

Red_Emma · Feb 13, 2004, 05:42 pm

Perhaps The Alien Genetic Engineering Team did this to see how it would effect our society..im sure they knew at one time that we would be evolved enough to notice it.. I wonder if they were conducting a small experiment to see if this would set some inequailty off and so on..or perhaps the first female creature did have that extra rib but as evolution came into play the baby took so much room that maybe it became obsolete and disapeared over time....as im sure you can tell i dont know anything about science ..i just read alot of science fiction lol...any ideas on if my theories might prove to be true?

**Pooeypants** · Feb 13, 2004, 08:03 pm

err, are you sure that males and females have different number of ribs?

haoqide · Feb 13, 2004, 08:43 pm

Well, I tend to think the whole ribs thing is an urban legend. It wouldn't make sense for every successive male to have one less rib. Adam was the only one with one yanked out, and after his genetic code was written, so why would every other male have one less rib?

Of course, I'm not God, either....

sdcinder · Feb 13, 2004, 10:30 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ThorfinnSS,)
Maybe a likely bunch of brachiating hominids were engineered to have the female in oestrus in almost the exact opposite schedule to all other mammals. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I guess I don't understand how this relates but I will give it a shot... We cycle every 28 or so days right? Horses do too. What other thing cycles like that? The moon. Yup, we cycle kinda like the moon although now we have the funky drugs that make us cycle differently and such like when we want to make sure we aren't pregnant and stuff. No, I don't partake in those. We are pregnant for nine full months, the horse 11 full months, YUCK!

The horse also gets just as cranky as, well, women do. Nit picking other horses if they are in a herd, don't like to be ridden (no pun intended), and are just unhappy creatures during that time. Again, these are general statements as some mares are not unpleasant during eostrus just like some women. Also, when you have a house full of females, they begin to cycle together eventually, with the dominant female determining when that time is. Dogs are like this as well... The one that comes into heat first (as in a kennel) is usually the dominant female or the one that wants to be...

I have heard it said that women have extra ribs based upon the fact that we must carry the child... Maybe, maybe not. I will stick with the story.

ThorfinnSS · Feb 14, 2004, 02:00 pm

Human females are the only one's to go into heat every 28 days. All other mammals have a completely different, almost opposite way. Take my female dog for instance; she goes into heat every 6 months for a one week period (sic). During that week, she is very interested in sex and can become pregnant about 5 days into her cycle. She also bleeds during this entire process.

As far as I know, human females are the only mammal to almost always be receptive to sex and get pregnant between their oestrus periods. Receptive meaning they can decide whether they want to or not (comment made to appear PC, as my experience is that many more factors such as plausible socially available identity on the part of the male plays as much of a role in whether sex actually occurs).

That thing about women getting into sync with their cycles is probably a hormonal thing. Not sure what the evolutionary advantage was, but I theorize it was to be available at the same time as the others, maybe to coincide with the return of the hunter-male groups. Party time!

To answer an earlier response, yes male humans do have one less rib, or more precisely, an atrophied rib where the human female has the whole thing.

I am amazed at human inventiveness, where the whole concept of Adam's rib was posited to explain this enigma. Personally I like the earliest explanation, credited to the followers of Mithras, that the missing rib needed to be used for other, boner, purposes. :-)

m5lange1 · Feb 14, 2004, 02:21 pm

To get back to the original topic...
So if I order ribs I will get an extra one if I specify that I want it to come from a male?

**Pooeypants** · Feb 14, 2004, 02:36 pm

As far as I know, both man and woman have 12 ribs on both sides...

Just The Facts · Feb 14, 2004, 02:59 pm

Aren't we all lucky that Adam and Eve weren't gay?
And thank god, he didn't give either an option when he created them..

sdcinder · Feb 14, 2004, 08:34 pm

Oddly enough, rabbits are another of those really weird creatures. They don't actually have eostrus... Their eggs are released to be fertilized when the male does his thing and then the second time around, the eggs are ready to be fertilized. Hence the issue with rabbits being pregnant all the time is really true. They could have a litter every 30 days if allowed to! Wouldn't that be scary!!

And Adam and Even couldn't be gay anyway, they only had each other to look at! Guess the real issue would be, who did Cain and Able marry??????????????

orbitaldata · Feb 15, 2004, 12:25 am

Both male and female of the human species have twelve ribs, although it is possible for either male or female to have an extra rib--but this is rare.

J.

shunyadragon · Feb 15, 2004, 01:33 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (orbitaldata,)
Both male and female of the human species have twelve ribs, although it is possible for either male or female to have an extra rib--but this is rare.

J.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

To my knowledge this is true. Some individuals have an extra rib of various sizes.

haoqide · Feb 15, 2004, 06:11 pm

HAHAHAH, Just the Facts!

terstorm · Feb 15, 2004, 06:27 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Just The Facts,)
Aren't we all lucky that Adam and Eve weren't gay?
And thank god, he didn't give either an option when he created them..<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

But God created everything. Including homosexuals. At least that's what I interpret Genesis to be.

bugsbunny04 · Feb 15, 2004, 06:48 pm

At http://www.cherrycheesecake.com in the jokes section there is a lightened, not neccessarily enlightened, but definately lightened version of the story.

Seriously, I believe in creation and I'm not entirely sure what to think about this. I don't think the God I believe in needs a rib to make Eve out of.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 15, 2004, 07:27 pm

Ah but your God made loads of mistakes, look at all those mass extinctions in the past millions of years.

bugsbunny04 · Feb 15, 2004, 08:21 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
Ah but your God made loads of mistakes, look at all those mass extinctions in the past millions of years. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

What makes you so sure he did'nt do it on purpose?

Mabey all those dinosours were created so some of them would turn into fossil fuels.

Mabey the species doomed to go extinct were a thought ahead of time to create a fossil record with at least some time scale.

Mabey all of the above.

Mabey I shoot a load and of 300,000,000 sperm at least 299,999,990 will fail to impregnate an egg. Since my (g/f is on the pill, all 300,000,000 will). My god is a lot better at creating stuff than I am, even if he does have failures, which I don't buy anyway.

Mabey, this does not have a gosh darn thing to do with the thread it's on.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 16, 2004, 03:41 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (bugsbunny04,)

What makes you so sure he did'nt do it on purpose?

Mabey all those dinosours were created so some of them would turn into fossil fuels.

Mabey the species doomed to go extinct were a thought ahead of time to create a fossil record with at least some time scale.

Mabey all of the above.

Mabey I shoot a load and of 300,000,000 sperm at least 299,999,990 will fail to impregnate an egg. Since my (g/f is on the pill, all 300,000,000 will). My god is a lot better at creating stuff than I am, even if he does have failures, which I don't buy anyway.

Mabey, this does not have a gosh darn thing to do with the thread it's on.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
As far as I know, the Dinosaurs didn't contribute to the fossil fuel stock.

A lot of maybes but as you acknowledge, we work from data we can observe. Try geology we can see the lineage of evolution, organisms getting more basic as we move further back into time. I see no divine intervention and I don't see why there needs to be. I respect your opinions and beliefs but don't get them involved with science, and that includes evolution.

Meatros · Feb 17, 2004, 02:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ThorfinnSS,)
For some time now I've been pondering why we, of all mammalian species, should have an odd number of ribs in the male, and an even number in the female (1 more than the man). Supposedly the big YHWH in the sky reached down and plucked one out to make the female from.

But as I said, its got me thinking. Perhaps it ties in with the search for the proverbial missing link. Could it be that some race of star-faring aliens stopped by in days gone by and did a spot of genetic engineering? Maybe a likely bunch of brachiating hominids were engineered to have the female in oestrus in almost the exact opposite schedule to all other mammals. Maybe the rib idea was like an artistic flourish by the project team involved.

I like to think that this group of roving aliens stopped by for a little graduate work in genetic engineering. For a young god-like alien, perhaps coursework would entail designing and building a progressively more complex set of beings to fit within the ecological niches that they were collectively evolving.

I can't wait for the secret messages encoded in the junk DNA of the Human genome to be decoded.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

As others have said: Women do not have an extra rib. Have you taken a biology class?

Feb 17, 2004, 03:19 pm

Yeah, something done to Adam after he was created wouldn't be passed on to his descendants. Did the giraffe's neck grow over the generations because it was stretched? If you chop off the tale of mice, are subsequent mice born without tails?

terstorm,

According to Genesis, God could not have created homosexuals. Adam and Eve, not to be confused with the modern Adam and Steve, were the only specially created humans. If they were gay, we wouldn't be here.

Have you read all of Genesis or at least the portion dealing with Creation?

www.drdino.com is a good place to start. Answers in Genesis is another good one. Most evolutionists that make sweeping claims have never examined the creationist position or have, perhaps, purposely chosen a straw man as representing creationism.

Feb 13, 2004, 08:03 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,471	err, are you sure that males and females have different number of ribs? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 13, 2004, 10:30 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
sdcinder Molten Ash Location: South Dakota Posts: 26	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ThorfinnSS,) Maybe a likely bunch of brachiating hominids were engineered to have the female in oestrus in almost the exact opposite schedule to all other mammals. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I guess I don't understand how this relates but I will give it a shot... We cycle every 28 or so days right? Horses do too. What other thing cycles like that? The moon. Yup, we cycle kinda like the moon although now we have the funky drugs that make us cycle differently and such like when we want to make sure we aren't pregnant and stuff. No, I don't partake in those. We are pregnant for nine full months, the horse 11 full months, YUCK! The horse also gets just as cranky as, well, women do. Nit picking other horses if they are in a herd, don't like to be ridden (no pun intended), and are just unhappy creatures during that time. Again, these are general statements as some mares are not unpleasant during eostrus just like some women. Also, when you have a house full of females, they begin to cycle together eventually, with the dominant female determining when that time is. Dogs are like this as well... The one that comes into heat first (as in a kennel) is usually the dominant female or the one that wants to be... I have heard it said that women have extra ribs based upon the fact that we must carry the child... Maybe, maybe not. I will stick with the story. C. Bogue "There's room for all God's creatures, right next to the fried taters!"

Feb 14, 2004, 02:21 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
m5lange1 Igneous Magma Posts: 649	To get back to the original topic... So if I order ribs I will get an extra one if I specify that I want it to come from a male? Protester against the culture war!!!!

Feb 14, 2004, 02:36 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,471	As far as I know, both man and woman have 12 ribs on both sides... War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 14, 2004, 02:59 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
Just The Facts Sedimentary Rock Posts: 23	Aren't we all lucky that Adam and Eve weren't gay? And thank god, he didn't give either an option when he created them.. http://www.volconvo.com/volconvocom.gif It is very hot in here

Feb 13, 2004, 05:12 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
ThorfinnSS Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	For some time now I've been pondering why we, of all mammalian species, should have an odd number of ribs in the male, and an even number in the female (1 more than the man). Supposedly the big YHWH in the sky reached down and plucked one out to make the female from. But as I said, its got me thinking. Perhaps it ties in with the search for the proverbial missing link. Could it be that some race of star-faring aliens stopped by in days gone by and did a spot of genetic engineering? Maybe a likely bunch of brachiating hominids were engineered to have the female in oestrus in almost the exact opposite schedule to all other mammals. Maybe the rib idea was like an artistic flourish by the project team involved. I like to think that this group of roving aliens stopped by for a little graduate work in genetic engineering. For a young god-like alien, perhaps coursework would entail designing and building a progressively more complex set of beings to fit within the ecological niches that they were collectively evolving. I can't wait for the secret messages encoded in the junk DNA of the Human genome to be decoded.

Feb 13, 2004, 05:42 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Red_Emma P//E Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 39	Perhaps The Alien Genetic Engineering Team did this to see how it would effect our society..im sure they knew at one time that we would be evolved enough to notice it.. I wonder if they were conducting a small experiment to see if this would set some inequailty off and so on..or perhaps the first female creature did have that extra rib but as evolution came into play the baby took so much room that maybe it became obsolete and disapeared over time....as im sure you can tell i dont know anything about science ..i just read alot of science fiction lol...any ideas on if my theories might prove to be true?

Feb 13, 2004, 08:43 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
haoqide Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	Well, I tend to think the whole ribs thing is an urban legend. It wouldn't make sense for every successive male to have one less rib. Adam was the only one with one yanked out, and after his genetic code was written, so why would every other male have one less rib? Of course, I'm not God, either....

Feb 14, 2004, 02:00 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
ThorfinnSS Sedimentary Rock Posts: 6	Human females are the only one's to go into heat every 28 days. All other mammals have a completely different, almost opposite way. Take my female dog for instance; she goes into heat every 6 months for a one week period (sic). During that week, she is very interested in sex and can become pregnant about 5 days into her cycle. She also bleeds during this entire process. As far as I know, human females are the only mammal to almost always be receptive to sex and get pregnant between their oestrus periods. Receptive meaning they can decide whether they want to or not (comment made to appear PC, as my experience is that many more factors such as plausible socially available identity on the part of the male plays as much of a role in whether sex actually occurs). That thing about women getting into sync with their cycles is probably a hormonal thing. Not sure what the evolutionary advantage was, but I theorize it was to be available at the same time as the others, maybe to coincide with the return of the hunter-male groups. Party time! To answer an earlier response, yes male humans do have one less rib, or more precisely, an atrophied rib where the human female has the whole thing. I am amazed at human inventiveness, where the whole concept of Adam's rib was posited to explain this enigma. Personally I like the earliest explanation, credited to the followers of Mithras, that the missing rib needed to be used for other, boner, purposes. :-)

Feb 14, 2004, 08:34 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
sdcinder Molten Ash Location: South Dakota Posts: 26	Oddly enough, rabbits are another of those really weird creatures. They don't actually have eostrus... Their eggs are released to be fertilized when the male does his thing and then the second time around, the eggs are ready to be fertilized. Hence the issue with rabbits being pregnant all the time is really true. They could have a litter every 30 days if allowed to! Wouldn't that be scary!! And Adam and Even couldn't be gay anyway, they only had each other to look at! Guess the real issue would be, who did Cain and Able marry?????????????? C. Bogue "There's room for all God's creatures, right next to the fried taters!"

Feb 15, 2004, 12:25 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
orbitaldata Sedimentary Rock Location: Hobbs, New Mexico Posts: 2	Both male and female of the human species have twelve ribs, although it is possible for either male or female to have an extra rib--but this is rare. J. <span style='color:purple'><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>*<span style='font-family:Times'>The Jacobs Learning Quotient: The speed of the brain is inversely proportional to the speed of the mouth squared.</span></span></span>*

Feb 15, 2004, 01:33 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
shunyadragon Hot Lava Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 940	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (orbitaldata,) Both male and female of the human species have twelve ribs, although it is possible for either male or female to have an extra rib--but this is rare. J.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> To my knowledge this is true. Some individuals have an extra rib of various sizes. The empty cup contains the most Frank A Doonan Turn weapons into peace and friendship with gifts of jade-silk www.shunyadragon.com I do not know, therefore I think . . .

Feb 15, 2004, 06:11 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
haoqide Sedimentary Rock Posts: 13	HAHAHAH, Just the Facts!

Feb 15, 2004, 06:27 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
terstorm Molten Ash Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 60	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Just The Facts,) Aren't we all lucky that Adam and Eve weren't gay? And thank god, he didn't give either an option when he created them..<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> But God created everything. Including homosexuals. At least that's what I interpret Genesis to be. <span style='color:blue'>Things Fall Apart---the centre cannot hold</span> Storm

Feb 15, 2004, 06:48 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
bugsbunny04 Untrained Fodder Location: Alabama Posts: 1,354	At http://www.cherrycheesecake.com in the jokes section there is a lightened, not neccessarily enlightened, but definately lightened version of the story. Seriously, I believe in creation and I'm not entirely sure what to think about this. I don't think the God I believe in needs a rib to make Eve out of. Clean toe caps and a filthy mouth! Low morals and high morale!

Feb 15, 2004, 07:27 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,471	Ah but your God made loads of mistakes, look at all those mass extinctions in the past millions of years. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 15, 2004, 08:21 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
bugsbunny04 Untrained Fodder Location: Alabama Posts: 1,354	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) Ah but your God made loads of mistakes, look at all those mass extinctions in the past millions of years. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> What makes you so sure he did'nt do it on purpose? Mabey all those dinosours were created so some of them would turn into fossil fuels. Mabey the species doomed to go extinct were a thought ahead of time to create a fossil record with at least some time scale. Mabey all of the above. Mabey I shoot a load and of 300,000,000 sperm at least 299,999,990 will fail to impregnate an egg. Since my (g/f is on the pill, all 300,000,000 will). My god is a lot better at creating stuff than I am, even if he does have failures, which I don't buy anyway. Mabey, this does not have a gosh darn thing to do with the thread it's on. Clean toe caps and a filthy mouth! Low morals and high morale!

Feb 16, 2004, 03:41 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,471	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (bugsbunny04,) What makes you so sure he did'nt do it on purpose? Mabey all those dinosours were created so some of them would turn into fossil fuels. Mabey the species doomed to go extinct were a thought ahead of time to create a fossil record with at least some time scale. Mabey all of the above. Mabey I shoot a load and of 300,000,000 sperm at least 299,999,990 will fail to impregnate an egg. Since my (g/f is on the pill, all 300,000,000 will). My god is a lot better at creating stuff than I am, even if he does have failures, which I don't buy anyway. Mabey, this does not have a gosh darn thing to do with the thread it's on.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> As far as I know, the Dinosaurs didn't contribute to the fossil fuel stock. A lot of maybes but as you acknowledge, we work from data we can observe. Try geology we can see the lineage of evolution, organisms getting more basic as we move further back into time. I see no divine intervention and I don't see why there needs to be. I respect your opinions and beliefs but don't get them involved with science, and that includes evolution. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 17, 2004, 02:55 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
Meatros Molten Ash Posts: 41	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (ThorfinnSS,) For some time now I've been pondering why we, of all mammalian species, should have an odd number of ribs in the male, and an even number in the female (1 more than the man). Supposedly the big YHWH in the sky reached down and plucked one out to make the female from. But as I said, its got me thinking. Perhaps it ties in with the search for the proverbial missing link. Could it be that some race of star-faring aliens stopped by in days gone by and did a spot of genetic engineering? Maybe a likely bunch of brachiating hominids were engineered to have the female in oestrus in almost the exact opposite schedule to all other mammals. Maybe the rib idea was like an artistic flourish by the project team involved. I like to think that this group of roving aliens stopped by for a little graduate work in genetic engineering. For a young god-like alien, perhaps coursework would entail designing and building a progressively more complex set of beings to fit within the ecological niches that they were collectively evolving. I can't wait for the secret messages encoded in the junk DNA of the Human genome to be decoded.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> As others have said: Women do not have an extra rib. Have you taken a biology class?

Feb 17, 2004, 03:19 pm	#20 (permalink) (top)
StoneWT Guest Posts: n/a	Yeah, something done to Adam after he was created wouldn't be passed on to his descendants. Did the giraffe's neck grow over the generations because it was stretched? If you chop off the tale of mice, are subsequent mice born without tails? terstorm, According to Genesis, God could not have created homosexuals. Adam and Eve, not to be confused with the modern Adam and Steve, were the only specially created humans. If they were gay, we wouldn't be here. Have you read all of Genesis or at least the portion dealing with Creation? www.drdino.com is a good place to start. Answers in Genesis is another good one. Most evolutionists that make sweeping claims have never examined the creationist position or have, perhaps, purposely chosen a straw man as representing creationism.