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Sodfather · Feb 13, 2004, 04:50 pm

Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Amzanig, huh?

Paavo · Feb 13, 2004, 06:31 pm

Hehe, yeah that's weird.
It's been popping up here and there on the 'net, it's really cool and kindof makes one think how our brain works when it comes to vision-to-thought-action.

It's obviously the way our brain can "fill in" the words we know from before, just glancing over quickly, but I'm guessing we couldn't "fill in" words that have been altered into ways we haven't seen before. Say we had a new word, "Bleamance". If it'd be a verb, and someone shuffled the inner letters of:
'I was bleamancing'
to:
'I was belamncanig'
, I'd think it wouldn't work anymore. So it's something like our eyes receive light from a part of the room, and even if not focusing on that part anymore, the brain would "fill in" the part according to the previous data we saved.

It's cool.

Stigmata66 · Feb 13, 2004, 07:10 pm

I've read that before...pisses me off more than it is interesting.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 13, 2004, 08:05 pm

I can read messed up letters but it takes more effort. :(

Red_Emma · Feb 13, 2004, 08:19 pm

i read his original post perfectly and quickly...weird though...I started a threat on MK Ultra II and Operation Stargate under Society and Rights..which has somewhat to do with how our brains work..check it out! I think that they keep us ignorant so we dont tap into the power that each of us holds..and after so long (its almost complete now) we dont use it for so long that it starts to become obsolete and we loose it/the ability..such as explaining why there are so many cases of esp documented before the Information boom of the 19th century...now life is so easy why should we try to picture if their is (for instance as savages did once) a animal near by..or try to detect it with our minds..we can just get in the car for 2-3 minutes and be at a gas station where we know there is some food....get my point? maybe im just dumb but who knows?

sdcinder · Feb 13, 2004, 11:54 pm

I think you may be on to something there, Red Emma. The detection of animals or the "feeling" of something else. I believe that with the instigation of "compulsory" attendance in public schools, our minds were then shut off fairly quickly. Certainly doesn't help when they keep changing the history books! But that is another thread...

I do believe that our minds must be excersized in that fashion in order to be effective. One of the ways I think that we help to turn off that instinct in children is when we "force" them to hug all the relatives for fear of someone's feelings getting hurt. Can children tell something is wrong with someone? I think so. We adults have been so beaten up with things like not hurting anyone's feelings that we grin and bear it and endure it until it is over instead of trusting our instincts. This kinda fits into the multiple intelligences idea.

Once our conveniences went up, our brains dumbed down... :(

NotScientific · Feb 14, 2004, 12:48 am

I read that somewhere. Really cool euh.

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Plaything48 · Feb 14, 2004, 05:53 am

Yeh, we were talking about the other day in a lecture, although the example was a bit more complicated. If only I had paid attention I could explain.

shonk · Feb 14, 2004, 03:46 pm

This is a myth. See: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt...avis/Cmabrigde/

Sodfather · Feb 14, 2004, 03:52 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shonk,)
This is a myth. See: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt...avis/Cmabrigde/<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 14, 2004, 04:07 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,)

Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
meh, it's all a good laugh.

orbitaldata · Feb 14, 2004, 04:11 pm

I read a short story some years ago by a renown science fiction writer in whch he proposd shortning th langwaj bi rmuving srten letrs and replacng thm wth ther equvlnt sounds. Tht wrkd prty wel, tu. Intrstng stuf.

Packratt · Feb 14, 2004, 04:12 pm

I'm dyslexic so it didn't really seem that much different from any other thing I read.

shonk · Feb 14, 2004, 05:23 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,)

Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

If you had actually taken the time to read the link, you would realize that this is, in fact, a myth. First, this isn't based on recent research done at Cambridge; if it's based on anything, it's an obscure, unpublished doctoral thesis written in 1978. Second, it's simply not true that only the first and last letters matter. At first glance, the letters in the post that started this thread appear randombly jumbled, but in fact most of the jumbling is the very selective application of transpositions, wherein the letters remain in approximately the same location as in the original word, maintain proximate relationships, etc. The phenomenon at work is a bit more subtle than "only the first and last letters matter".

Paavo · Feb 14, 2004, 08:27 pm

wow, I read the finnish thing, and didn't understand a thing. And finnish is my mother tongue. Weird. :|

Major Billy · Feb 19, 2004, 07:37 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather)
Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe.

Amzanig, huh?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

My spell checker didn't have too much trouble with it either:

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Word'97)
According to a rscheearch at Cambridge Uinervtisy, it doesn’t matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only iprmoatnt thing is that the first and last letter be at the right Palau. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it wouthit problem. This is bcuseae the human mind does not read reify letter by itself, but the word as a whole.

Amazing, huh?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Sodfather · Feb 19, 2004, 07:54 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shonk,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,)

Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

If you had actually taken the time to read the link, you would realize that this is, in fact, a myth. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Jesus Christ, you said that before! Hence, I replied in the manner that I did.

If I experience something first-hand, that's objective truth, and, therefore, not a damn myth! Why would I care what a link says when I can test it out myself!

shonk · Feb 19, 2004, 08:37 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,)

Jesus Christ, you said that before! Hence, I replied in the manner that I did.

If I experience something first-hand, that's objective truth, and, therefore, not a damn myth! Why would I care what a link says when I can test it out myself!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

You're right, I misspoke. I didn't mean to imply that it was a myth that you could read this particular passage at normal speed. The myth is that "it's true for English at least" where the "it" is the claim that only the first and last letters of each word matter. The fact that you were able to read this passage at normal speed is due to the fact that the middle letters in the words are not really arranged randomly.

Feb 13, 2004, 07:10 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Stigmata66 Molten Ash Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 74	I've read that before...pisses me off more than it is interesting. Hate heals, you should try it some time! Fukin Arch Enemy!

Feb 13, 2004, 08:05 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,467	I can read messed up letters but it takes more effort. :( War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 13, 2004, 11:54 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
sdcinder Molten Ash Location: South Dakota Posts: 26	I think you may be on to something there, Red Emma. The detection of animals or the "feeling" of something else. I believe that with the instigation of "compulsory" attendance in public schools, our minds were then shut off fairly quickly. Certainly doesn't help when they keep changing the history books! But that is another thread... I do believe that our minds must be excersized in that fashion in order to be effective. One of the ways I think that we help to turn off that instinct in children is when we "force" them to hug all the relatives for fear of someone's feelings getting hurt. Can children tell something is wrong with someone? I think so. We adults have been so beaten up with things like not hurting anyone's feelings that we grin and bear it and endure it until it is over instead of trusting our instincts. This kinda fits into the multiple intelligences idea. Once our conveniences went up, our brains dumbed down... :( C. Bogue "There's room for all God's creatures, right next to the fried taters!"

Feb 14, 2004, 05:53 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	Yeh, we were talking about the other day in a lecture, although the example was a bit more complicated. If only I had paid attention I could explain. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 14, 2004, 03:46 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
shonk Sedimentary Rock Posts: 18	This is a myth. See: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt...avis/Cmabrigde/ selling waves instead of making them.

Feb 13, 2004, 04:50 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig, huh?

Feb 13, 2004, 06:31 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	Hehe, yeah that's weird. It's been popping up here and there on the 'net, it's really cool and kindof makes one think how our brain works when it comes to vision-to-thought-action. It's obviously the way our brain can "fill in" the words we know from before, just glancing over quickly, but I'm guessing we couldn't "fill in" words that have been altered into ways we haven't seen before. Say we had a new word, "Bleamance". If it'd be a verb, and someone shuffled the inner letters of: 'I was bleamancing' to: 'I was belamncanig' , I'd think it wouldn't work anymore. So it's something like our eyes receive light from a part of the room, and even if not focusing on that part anymore, the brain would "fill in" the part according to the previous data we saved. It's cool.

Feb 13, 2004, 08:19 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Red_Emma P//E Location: Baton Rouge, Louisiana Posts: 39	i read his original post perfectly and quickly...weird though...I started a threat on MK Ultra II and Operation Stargate under Society and Rights..which has somewhat to do with how our brains work..check it out! I think that they keep us ignorant so we dont tap into the power that each of us holds..and after so long (its almost complete now) we dont use it for so long that it starts to become obsolete and we loose it/the ability..such as explaining why there are so many cases of esp documented before the Information boom of the 19th century...now life is so easy why should we try to picture if their is (for instance as savages did once) a animal near by..or try to detect it with our minds..we can just get in the car for 2-3 minutes and be at a gas station where we know there is some food....get my point? maybe im just dumb but who knows?

Feb 14, 2004, 12:48 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
NotScientific Molten Ash Location: Mauritius Posts: 35	I read that somewhere. Really cool euh. ____________________________________________________ I'm Senior Columnist at BackWash.com. Check it out at http://www.backwash.com/content.php?id=358

Feb 14, 2004, 03:52 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shonk,) This is a myth. See: http://www.mrc-cbu.cam.ac.uk/personal/matt...avis/Cmabrigde/<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.

Feb 14, 2004, 04:07 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,467	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,) Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> meh, it's all a good laugh. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 14, 2004, 04:11 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
orbitaldata Sedimentary Rock Location: Hobbs, New Mexico Posts: 2	I read a short story some years ago by a renown science fiction writer in whch he proposd shortning th langwaj bi rmuving srten letrs and replacng thm wth ther equvlnt sounds. Tht wrkd prty wel, tu. Intrstng stuf. <span style='color:purple'><span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'>*<span style='font-family:Times'>The Jacobs Learning Quotient: The speed of the brain is inversely proportional to the speed of the mouth squared.</span></span></span>*

Feb 14, 2004, 04:12 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Packratt Molten Ash Location: Crimetown USA Posts: 130	I'm dyslexic so it didn't really seem that much different from any other thing I read. "...the worker's liberty... is only a theoretical freedom, lacking any means for its possible realisation, and consequently it is only a fictitious liberty, an utter falsehood. -Bakunin

Feb 14, 2004, 05:23 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
shonk Sedimentary Rock Posts: 18	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,) Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> If you had actually taken the time to read the link, you would realize that this is, in fact, a myth. First, this isn't based on recent research done at Cambridge; if it's based on anything, it's an obscure, unpublished doctoral thesis written in 1978. Second, it's simply not true that only the first and last letters matter. At first glance, the letters in the post that started this thread appear randombly jumbled, but in fact most of the jumbling is the very selective application of transpositions, wherein the letters remain in approximately the same location as in the original word, maintain proximate relationships, etc. The phenomenon at work is a bit more subtle than "only the first and last letters matter". selling waves instead of making them.

Feb 14, 2004, 08:27 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	wow, I read the finnish thing, and didn't understand a thing. And finnish is my mother tongue. Weird. :\|

Feb 19, 2004, 07:37 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
Major Billy Molten Ash Posts: 90	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather) Aoccdrnig to a rscheearch at Cmabrigde Uinervtisy, it deosn't mttaer in waht oredr the ltteers in a wrod are, the olny iprmoatnt tihng is taht the frist and lsat ltteer be at the rghit pclae. The rset can be a total mses and you can sitll raed it wouthit porbelm. Tihs is bcuseae the huamn mnid deos not raed ervey lteter by istlef, but the wrod as a wlohe. Amzanig, huh?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> My spell checker didn't have too much trouble with it either: </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Word'97) According to a rscheearch at Cambridge Uinervtisy, it doesn’t matter in what order the letters in a word are, the only iprmoatnt thing is that the first and last letter be at the right Palau. The rest can be a total mess and you can still read it wouthit problem. This is bcuseae the human mind does not read reify letter by itself, but the word as a whole. Amazing, huh?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> >>>--~(ô¿ô)~--->

Feb 19, 2004, 07:54 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Sodfather Igneous Magma Posts: 327	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shonk,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,) Well I read through the paragraph at my normal reading speed the first time I saw it, so it's true for English at least.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> If you had actually taken the time to read the link, you would realize that this is, in fact, a myth. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Jesus Christ, you said that before! Hence, I replied in the manner that I did. If I experience something first-hand, that's objective truth, and, therefore, not a damn myth! Why would I care what a link says when I can test it out myself!

Feb 19, 2004, 08:37 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
shonk Sedimentary Rock Posts: 18	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Sodfather,) Jesus Christ, you said that before! Hence, I replied in the manner that I did. If I experience something first-hand, that's objective truth, and, therefore, not a damn myth! Why would I care what a link says when I can test it out myself!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> You're right, I misspoke. I didn't mean to imply that it was a myth that you could read this particular passage at normal speed. The myth is that "it's true for English at least" where the "it" is the claim that only the first and last letters of each word matter. The fact that you were able to read this passage at normal speed is due to the fact that the middle letters in the words are not really arranged randomly. selling waves instead of making them.