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Plaything48 · Feb 10, 2004, 02:59 pm

The end is near

Feb 10, 2004, 03:09 pm

We have time, medical fields have some more room to play, but eventually, those same people fighting disease will breed super diseases and one will get away from them.. over population will not be a problem then.. being forced into contact with others through work and school will make the spread easy..
Will the strong survive, or just those in the whitehouse?

Impenitent · Feb 10, 2004, 03:35 pm

no no no, the multideath corporations need to kill the population before they can have their communist revolution... it's a huge conspiracy ... kill kill kill the poor... it's been their plan all along... those evil big drug companies... no need to make new drugs and cure people to buy new drugs... no, the poor have to die so the rich can benefit all to themselves...

would you like to buy some swamp land?

**Pooeypants** · Feb 10, 2004, 06:13 pm

Speaking as someone currently studying Biochem and Microbiology as Uni, I'd say we're going to get further problems if the animal rearing traditionals don't change in China. One example is the avian flu, in China the pigs and chickens can be kept in close proximity, close enough for Pigs to be infected by Avian flu and to contract Human flu, now if an avian flu and human flu infected the same pig cell, then their DNA and protein coating were mixed we could get a completely new flu virus to which we have no vaccine nor natural immunity to, it may have happened in the past (explains how flu epidemics in the past occured out of the blue) and it can happen again.

white rice · Feb 11, 2004, 07:37 pm

I think the pandema will be human engineered.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 12, 2004, 03:47 am

ooo Twelve Monkeys...

Impenitent · Feb 12, 2004, 09:23 am

but the pandemic can't hit china.... they use woks...

**Pooeypants** · Feb 12, 2004, 09:42 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,)
but the pandemic can't hit china.... they use woks...<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
*whoosh* over my head.

**Sean** · Feb 13, 2004, 03:00 am

hahaha..they sure do...

shunyadragon · Feb 19, 2004, 06:02 pm

Major Pandemics must involve most of the world and they are rare. So far the world has had only one. What was the the world's only major pandemic?

**Pooeypants** · Feb 19, 2004, 06:38 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shunyadragon,)
Major Pandemics must involve most of the world and they are rare. So far the world has had only one. What was the the world's only major pandemic?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
In what timeline are you talking about? Last century?

NotScientific · Feb 19, 2004, 09:47 pm

Sometimes I wonder whether SARS is not a man-altered virus or something. May seem strange but I really think it's strange to get these virus now.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 20, 2004, 03:47 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (NotScientific,)
Sometimes I wonder whether SARS is not a man-altered virus or something. May seem strange but I really think it's strange to get these virus now.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Oh just wait till we get the another Avian Flu, should make SARS look like a picnic...

Plaything48 · Feb 20, 2004, 07:06 am

ShunyaDragon - What is this one global pandemic then? I think the black plague was one of the worst, although it was confined to Britain.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 22, 2004, 07:06 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,)
ShunyaDragon - What is this one global pandemic then? I think the black plague was one of the worst, although it was confined to Britain.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Not so, the Black Death was definitely not localised in Britain, it was spread to Britain. Read here.

antayla · Feb 22, 2004, 03:50 pm

I think this planet needs a pandemic... If you are so concerned about it, get your body healthy so you will be prepared to deal with it when it comes. Otherwise, quitcherbitchin. er sumpin :)

But... of course pandemics suck. If we don't deal with our population problems, good old nature will do it for us. Ain't reason grand.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 22, 2004, 04:01 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (antayla,)
I think this planet needs a pandemic... If you are so concerned about it, get your body healthy so you will be prepared to deal with it when it comes. Otherwise, quitcherbitchin. er sumpin :)

But... of course pandemics suck. If we don't deal with our population problems, good old nature will do it for us. Ain't reason grand.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
The human race itself is like a pandemic to nature...

antayla · Feb 22, 2004, 07:51 pm

Oh BS. Humans are part of nature. We are acting in our nature. Nature is more than this planet you know... how do you know that what we are doing isn't what we need to do to survive? This planet is doomed anyways, the only way to preserve anything that is born of this planet is to escape it and spread it. If you think on it, you could say that a fetus cannibalizes its mother to become self-sufficient. I think that could be the case with us humans, that we will help this planet "reproduce." Starseed, to be poetic...

If I were you, I'd dump this self-loathing shtick and get with finding out how to survive. Self-loathing is self-destructive, and I give no excuses for "low self-esteem."

shunyadragon · Feb 23, 2004, 08:33 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shunyadragon,)
Major Pandemics must involve most of the world and they are rare. So far the world has had only one. What was the the world's only major pandemic?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
In what timeline are you talking about? Last century?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Any century, since a pandemic has to involve most or all the world, this pandemic has to have occured in recent history. Hint, hint.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 23, 2004, 10:29 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shunyadragon,)

Any century, since a pandemic has to involve most or all the world, this pandemic has to have occured in recent history. Hint, hint.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Meh, SARS was overblown by mega proportions.

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Feb 10, 2004, 02:59 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	The end is near A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 10, 2004, 03:35 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	no no no, the multideath corporations need to kill the population before they can have their communist revolution... it's a huge conspiracy ... kill kill kill the poor... it's been their plan all along... those evil big drug companies... no need to make new drugs and cure people to buy new drugs... no, the poor have to die so the rich can benefit all to themselves... would you like to buy some swamp land? "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 10, 2004, 06:13 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	Speaking as someone currently studying Biochem and Microbiology as Uni, I'd say we're going to get further problems if the animal rearing traditionals don't change in China. One example is the avian flu, in China the pigs and chickens can be kept in close proximity, close enough for Pigs to be infected by Avian flu and to contract Human flu, now if an avian flu and human flu infected the same pig cell, then their DNA and protein coating were mixed we could get a completely new flu virus to which we have no vaccine nor natural immunity to, it may have happened in the past (explains how flu epidemics in the past occured out of the blue) and it can happen again. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 11, 2004, 07:37 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	I think the pandema will be human engineered. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Feb 10, 2004, 03:09 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
CitizenCOP Guest Posts: n/a	We have time, medical fields have some more room to play, but eventually, those same people fighting disease will breed super diseases and one will get away from them.. over population will not be a problem then.. being forced into contact with others through work and school will make the spread easy.. Will the strong survive, or just those in the whitehouse?

Feb 12, 2004, 03:47 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	ooo Twelve Monkeys... War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 12, 2004, 09:23 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	but the pandemic can't hit china.... they use woks... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 12, 2004, 09:42 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Impenitent,) but the pandemic can't hit china.... they use woks...<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> whoosh over my head. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 13, 2004, 03:00 am	#9 (permalink) (top)
Sean former overlord Location: New York Posts: 2,383	hahaha..they sure do... So it goes

Feb 19, 2004, 06:02 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
shunyadragon Hot Lava Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 940	Major Pandemics must involve most of the world and they are rare. So far the world has had only one. What was the the world's only major pandemic? The empty cup contains the most Frank A Doonan Turn weapons into peace and friendship with gifts of jade-silk www.shunyadragon.com I do not know, therefore I think . . .

Feb 19, 2004, 06:38 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shunyadragon,) Major Pandemics must involve most of the world and they are rare. So far the world has had only one. What was the the world's only major pandemic?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> In what timeline are you talking about? Last century? War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 19, 2004, 09:47 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
NotScientific Molten Ash Location: Mauritius Posts: 35	Sometimes I wonder whether SARS is not a man-altered virus or something. May seem strange but I really think it's strange to get these virus now. I'm Columnist here at Volconvo.com and also at BackWash.com. Check my columns in the Science forum then.

Feb 20, 2004, 03:47 am	#13 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (NotScientific,) Sometimes I wonder whether SARS is not a man-altered virus or something. May seem strange but I really think it's strange to get these virus now.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Oh just wait till we get the another Avian Flu, should make SARS look like a picnic... War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 20, 2004, 07:06 am	#14 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	ShunyaDragon - What is this one global pandemic then? I think the black plague was one of the worst, although it was confined to Britain. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 22, 2004, 07:06 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,) ShunyaDragon - What is this one global pandemic then? I think the black plague was one of the worst, although it was confined to Britain.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Not so, the Black Death was definitely not localised in Britain, it was spread to Britain. Read here. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 22, 2004, 03:50 pm	#16 (permalink) (top)
antayla Molten Ash Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 56	I think this planet needs a pandemic... If you are so concerned about it, get your body healthy so you will be prepared to deal with it when it comes. Otherwise, quitcherbitchin. er sumpin :) But... of course pandemics suck. If we don't deal with our population problems, good old nature will do it for us. Ain't reason grand. Member of the Free State Project. http://www.freestateproject.com

Feb 22, 2004, 04:01 pm	#17 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (antayla,) I think this planet needs a pandemic... If you are so concerned about it, get your body healthy so you will be prepared to deal with it when it comes. Otherwise, quitcherbitchin. er sumpin :) But... of course pandemics suck. If we don't deal with our population problems, good old nature will do it for us. Ain't reason grand.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> The human race itself is like a pandemic to nature... War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 22, 2004, 07:51 pm	#18 (permalink) (top)
antayla Molten Ash Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 56	Oh BS. Humans are part of nature. We are acting in our nature. Nature is more than this planet you know... how do you know that what we are doing isn't what we need to do to survive? This planet is doomed anyways, the only way to preserve anything that is born of this planet is to escape it and spread it. If you think on it, you could say that a fetus cannibalizes its mother to become self-sufficient. I think that could be the case with us humans, that we will help this planet "reproduce." Starseed, to be poetic... If I were you, I'd dump this self-loathing shtick and get with finding out how to survive. Self-loathing is self-destructive, and I give no excuses for "low self-esteem." Member of the Free State Project. http://www.freestateproject.com

Feb 23, 2004, 08:33 am	#19 (permalink) (top)
shunyadragon Hot Lava Location: Hillsborough, NC Posts: 940	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shunyadragon,) Major Pandemics must involve most of the world and they are rare. So far the world has had only one. What was the the world's only major pandemic?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> In what timeline are you talking about? Last century?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Any century, since a pandemic has to involve most or all the world, this pandemic has to have occured in recent history. Hint, hint. The empty cup contains the most Frank A Doonan Turn weapons into peace and friendship with gifts of jade-silk www.shunyadragon.com I do not know, therefore I think . . .

Feb 23, 2004, 10:29 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,469	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (shunyadragon,) Any century, since a pandemic has to involve most or all the world, this pandemic has to have occured in recent history. Hint, hint.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Meh, SARS was overblown by mega proportions. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before