Evolution!! Did we come from monkeys?

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: bandaid If we came from monkey's than why do we still have monkeys around? Personally, I think the Adam and Eve story makes much more sense than the monkey theory.

While reading the thread: Evolution!! Did we come from monkeys, I got same question in mind. Thanks to Bandaid who thinks like me.

I am not much satisfied with tree and nich theory of Evolution by Prometheus that one specie transforms in to two different species. Evolution may create a nominal change in appearence, style of living, mental status etc, but won't change only a portion of specie in to different specie. Or, as suggested one specie gets transformed into two different species. Even modern biology won't accept this statement.
Also, I do not agree with the statement of Capitalist Pig "monkeys and men share common ancestor". In support of this statement a number of links are shown, but no where it can be proved that one specie got converted into two or more.

Even Adanm & Eve theory is not the correct picture, but an imaginery tale since, nobody till date has confirmed existence of Heaven or Hell. WELL, THE ONLY CORRECT PICTURE IS THAT WE ARE ONE OF THE MANY MANY SPECIES EXISTING ON EARTH AND ALL WERE, ARE AND WILL BE EXISTING AND THERE HAS NEVER BEEN OR WILL BE ANY CONVERSION OF ONE SPECIE INTO TWO OR MANY. I don't think there exists OR CAN EXIST any reversible reaction between two or many species like chemicals, producing products and reactants at the time of equilibrium.

SO WE NEED NOT BOTHER OR WORRY, WHETHER WE ARE OFF SPRINGS OF MONKEYS, CHIMPANZES, OR OF ANY OTHER APE FAMILY!!! WE WERE HUMANS, ARE HUMANS AND ALSO WILL BE HUMAN.

THE CREATOR HAS MADE WHOLE UNIVERSE IN ONE HIT including MAN, WHICH RQUIRES NO THEORIES!!!!!!

[belverron]

Quote by: Kuldeep I am not much satisfied with tree and nich theory of Evolution by Prometheus that one specie transforms in to two different species. Evolution may create a nominal change in appearence, style of living, mental status etc, but won't change only a portion of specie in to different specie. Or, as suggested one specie gets transformed into two different species. Even modern biology won't accept this statement.

I know this effort is probably in vain, but I will try to clarify Prometheus's statements. To say that one species transforms into two is to simplify. In actuality, one group breaks off from a species either geographically or by some other method. That group may eventually become a different species. The original species in the meantime will continue to evolve, eventually becoming a new species as well (unless it dies out). Therefore we are left with two distinct species which shared a common ancestor.

Quote by: Kuldeep Also, I do not agree with the statement of Capitalist Pig "monkeys and men share common ancestor". In support of this statement a number of links are shown, but no where it can be proved that one specie got converted into two or more.

I hope my previous response clarified this issue as well. If it did not, well, long ago one group of apes became the ape-men from which humans descended.

Right. Well, Kuldeep, since the rest of your post seems just to be a rant, I'll leave it just here. I hope you'll open your mind to the possibility of evolution and realize that it and religion are not mutually exclusive. It can be a difficult concept to grasp because of the huge spans of time involved, but there is conclusive evidence that it is a force in the creation of species. If you choose to believe that God is another force in play, few will refute you.

[Kuldeep]

Thankyou verymuch Belverron, for the quick response! I am aware of this much evolution only that environmental and other changes can produce some changes in a specie as I mentioned in my post. But, you went a head by presuming the the broken group MAY HAVE BECOME a different specie. This is a pre-assumption only!

Sir, let us talk scientifically. To best of my knowledge species differ mainly due to different type of genes. Do you, supporter of evolutionists, mean that sorrounding affects even the Genes as well so that different specie is evolved???? If it is proved anywhere then it is fine!!! More clearly, picking up your example of a group of apes becoming ape-man from which human decended. If we take this as fact! Then does it mean genes of that group of apes, ape-men and human are identical. If we perform gene test of all the three variety of species at present. We shall find that their genes are not identical. That means, if there is gene modification due to evolution then apes can be our ancestors other wise not!!!!!!!

[Pooeypants]

I'm sorry, you're not making much sense. I think it's down to the fact that you don't even know what exactly it is that you're talking about.

For organisms that reproduce sexually, a species is defined as a reproductively isolated population. This does not mean we can't make two different species reproduce when we artificially place them in an enclosed environment. The tiger and lion can mate successfully but in real life, they're separated geographically so that they'd never have met.

Also, with regards to your rudimentary take on genetics, we know that the Chimps, are closest living ancestors show genome homology of around 98%. So 98% of the DNA, the genes are identical between humans and Chimps. I hope that answers your question.

[Starboy]

Quote by: Kuldeep THE CREATOR HAS MADE WHOLE UNIVERSE IN ONE HIT including MAN, WHICH RQUIRES NO THEORIES!!!!!!

In principle all supernatural religions posit this very thing. They just differ on the exact details, such as how long it took, what is a minute in our time vs. a minute in its time, if it did it naturally or supernaturally and so on. And guess what, they all have the exact same evidence to support their claims and that is the very universe we are in. Now you could argue and argue with the other magical thinkers and bicker over who's revelation should be believed over the other or who's miracles are more miraculous or who's creator is more compassionate or more powerful and all the rest of the BS that magical thinkers are wont to bicker over or.......

You could just go look at actual reality and try to figure it out using the actual evidence at hand which is the physical universe. And guess what? This is exactly what biologists are trying to do and their best explanation to date is not Vishnu or Zarathurstra or Thor or even Jesus. It is evolution. And astronomers are doing the same thing with the universe and their best explanation to date is not Zeus or Tezcatlipoca or Rha, it is the big bang. In fact those that are in the business of trying to explain reality have found that the best way to do it is to not allow any supernatural explanations at all. What they have found is that supernatural explanations of any kind are completely useless if your goal is to understand reality.

Starboy

[Prometheus]

Kuldeep

I am sure you are a great person on the inside, but a science debate is obviously not the place for you . For your benifit, I will try to correct some of your more glaring blunders, but you would be best to learn from them in scilence instead of further demonstrating your own ignorance. Your place in this thread should be asking questions for the purpose of education, becuse you obviously do not have nearly enough knowledge to even start debating.

I am not much satisfied with tree and nich theory of Evolution by Prometheus that one specie transforms in to two different species.

I'm sorry it dosen't satisfy *you*. It does however, satisfy basically all scientists with enough knowledge that their opinion actually means anything. And it has satisfied these scientists while it has been scritinized, studied, and reflrmulated for over 100 years.

Evolution may create a nominal change in appearence, style of living, mental status etc,

I'm glad we both agree on this point. Now lets use just a *little* bit of logic to extend from this. Let's say you create a small change every 100,000 years. If you do that for 100 mollion years, those small changes add up into big changes. This is not hard.

Or, as suggested one specie gets transformed into two different species. Even modern biology won't accept this statement.

Sorry but this is just silly. This is the basis for how biologists understand life. Not only does modern biology accept this statement, but that statement's acceptance is the *basis* for modern biology. If you want to learn more about species splitting (It can be a slightly tricky concept) do a google search for "divergant evolution", "speciation", and "disruptive pressure".

THE CREATOR HAS MADE WHOLE UNIVERSE IN ONE HIT including MAN, WHICH RQUIRES NO THEORIES!!!!!!

That statement *is* a theory. With no evidance.

[Capitalist Pig]

Quote by: Kuldeep Also, I do not agree with the statement of Capitalist Pig "monkeys and men share common ancestor". In support of this statement a number of links are shown, but no where it can be proved that one specie got converted into two or more.

There is a wealth of anthropological and genetic evidence that says it is very likely the extant primates (which includes humans) are interrelated because of a common heritage. Sorry it's not good enough for you. I've already discussed one piece of genetic evidence in this thread, see post #54, my reply to Samildanach. Literature citation was done in post #88, see my reply to jeffl. Also see the article linked by jeffl in the quote.

More evidence for common descent is here.

[Gilligan]

I know I didn't, but I can't speak for our president.