Extra Terrestrial Life?

[rcne]

I'm listening to the disclosureproject now - nice stuff. It correlates to items brought out by the Stargate project.

Some of the points presented in the disclosure project are the same points brought up at Stargate.

Interesting indeed.

Back to the original point of the thread - it is highly improbable that this speck of the universe is the only point of life in the universe.

References like these just support the long held supposition that - 'WE are not Alone.'

[dotcoma]

Originally posted by dotComa, rox..are you kidding with that scanned CIA paper? That's about as legitimate as a republican gay marriage vote.

Don't attack me, attack the ex Navel Intelligence Officer who submitted it to the NPC. :rolleyes:

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by Paavo, Do you believe that there is a chance of life outside our own rock?

Do the math, and there goes your answer.

[m5lange1]

Would you not agree that is there "Intelligent" life aside from our own (assuming you concede that we are intelligent) out there is the more pertanent question?.

There seem to be several levels of belief required here.

1. Is there life? Almost certainly if you include bacteria and microbes.

2. Is there an eco system that supports higher functioning life, (in which case it is likely that higher functioning life is part of that system)?

3. Is there life capable of reason (lets not hijack into whether or not some of our animals already fit that bill as it is irrelevant to the topic)?

4. Is there life with enough technologiacal savy to make contact with us?

5. If there is life with the technology to contact us, have they or would they bother?

It is not really as simple as "are we alone?". The pill to swallow keeps getting bigger.

"UFO" means Unidentified Flying Object. Yep ther are lots of those. If I see it and don't know what it is, it has not been identified to me.
That is not a frivolous as it sounds. Anything flying thing we see that we cannot identify is a UFO. The automatic assumption that they are ET controlled is a bit of a jump and I believe culture driven.

UFOs are recorded in ancient history as well but they are often described as "gods" or "angels" or "bright moving stars". Their source is set by the culture.

Let us look at some of the alternate possibilities as long as we are jumping to the fanciful.
1. ETs.
2. Time travelers from the future.
3. A form that ghosts take.
4. A natural meteorological phenominon we have not yet identified.
5. Secret human projects.
6. Creatures from an alternate state such as heaven or hell.

Lots of stuff to buy into beyond "are we alone?"

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by m5lange1, Would you not agree that is there "Intelligent" life aside from our own (assuming you concede that we are intelligent) out there is the more pertanent question?

I am not sure whether this post is addressed to me (since there is no clear indication on such assumption), but I take it as it is.
(Correct me if I am wrong, and disregard my reply, please.)

I wrote :
"Do the math"
It is clearly understandable, that using scientific calculus of probability's formulas, we can come with conclusion that there are "zillions" of planets inhabited by any life-forms.
Even not using any science, the logic dictates that we can not be alone.

U.F.O ?
I saw such objects (on few occasions).
We can not develope such aircrafts, yet, then it is clear that "They" visit "Us", and not any other way around.
There is "nothing special to be admired", except that an object is moving steadily and noiseless. No way to catch or get it, not to mention to do any "research" :))) by interact with it.
Just another "disc-shaped", metalic-alike object on the sky.

The fact "They" do not attempt to "officially" get in touch with "Us" bring some "puzzling" questions. What do "They" want ?
That is the issue.
I think that "We" are morons to "Them", but having some points of "interests".

[m5lange1]

The post was addressed to the topic in general. All I was saying is there is a huge difference between these two questions....

Is there life on planets/moons whatever, aside from our own?

and

Has some for of ET life visited us?

The original topic seemed to be the first questioon but the discussions seem to be of the latter.

Hence my opening question.

"Would you not agree that is there "Intelligent" life aside from our own (assuming you concede that we are intelligent) out there is the more pertanent question?"

Meaning to the topic at hand.

[bishop]

what i think of the "cup half full" argument... history is more full and nostalgic towards people who have been conquerors and tyrants than the scant few who have worked for peace and humanity. today, we have an ignorant fool who calls himself our war president.. i'm sure the aliens would view us as wild animals.

anyway.. i believe that aliens exist, but i don't think they'll colonize us or whatever. and i don't think that archaic programs like SETI would necessarily detect them even if they were close. if even one of these ufo accounts are real, then it's obvious that they're observing us. maybe making a hybrid species? who knows, and if they were, why?

imo, it's a race between humanity creating artificial intelligence which eventually surpasses humanity (animatrix style), or the aliens finally come to visit.

[Rainbow]

Originally posted by m5lange1, "Would you not agree that is there "Intelligent" life aside from our own (assuming you concede that we are intelligent) out there is the more pertanent question?".

A flower does not grow in your garden, only, then :
- there must be intelligent life-forms out there (the Universe).
How many flowers ?
How many gardens ?
How many planets, systems, galactics ?

A magnet can not exist on its own. It has to contain 2 opposite fields, in order to manifest itself into this world.
What is that opposite "pole" to "Us" ?
Yet another Universe ? unknown to "Us" today ?
How many ?

[Technosoul]

I think we might find a "moon mushroom" for sure someday without our robotic explorers.

The mushroom has DNA unlike anything else on earth and is not part of any kind of earthly evolutionary chain - before or after. The mushroom's micro pores are not effected by redation and so they could have came here on the cosmic winds or whatever. And so perhaps we have already discovered an alien life form right here, and did not know it.

Another theory is that the Global Brian of consciousness called Mother Earth is teaching us how to use her resources to build rocket ships so that we can transport life here to other planets in the universe. That might be the long term mission and the reason for places in the universe to be waiting our arrival.

We are the "bees" of the "flower" theory.

Technosoul.

[farley]

A good book by William Bramley called "The Gods of Eden" he tells angels and God were ETs that came to earth long ago and genically reproduced workers by using their genes with primative earth people (Neaderthals?) and suddenly appeared Cro Magnon people (intelligent workers so to speak). Zecharia Sitchen also has this belief in his book "The 12th Planet". Sitchen does base his belief on actual ancient Sumerian clay tablets which he can read.

[rcne]

Z Sitchin, I find his research excellent. I have may of his Earth Chronicle series and I always find items of interest, or things to consider in his work.

You may not agree with his conclusions, but you will have a hard time finding holes in his research.

Nice to see another Sitchin reader here.