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Jun 2, 2004, 02:26 am
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| Skeptical Patriot  Posts: 7,746 | Quote:
As for virtue and vice, since WE can't seem to come to terms with our own man-made definitions, I can't begin to speculate to what an ailen race might define these terms as. I have to assume they would be advanced far beyond us, at least technologically. If they would come here at ALL, they would probably crossed billions of miles to get here, and given our inability to do this ourselves I would have to assume, for better or worse that they would have chronologically surpassed the point where we are now by a mile. Ignorantly assuming of course that the two races would have anything in common, such as rate of development over time, capacity to advance along any recognizable lines, and the definitions ot the nature of time itself. It's all blind guesswork of course, but I like my guesses...ha ha ha ! Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots. | |
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Jun 2, 2004, 04:01 am
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  Neo Moderator  Location: England Posts: 5,549 | Quote:
War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before | |
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Jun 2, 2004, 08:33 am
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| Guest Posts: n/a | Quote:
We sailed away We walked two thousand miles and then we slipped away We looked so hard But couldn't seem to find just what the world was for Now we know Just what the journey's for Looking out to the stars Think about what you are What do they think of you Animals in their zoo They haven't got the time Landing is not on their minds How do they have the nerve We're animals in preserve They watch us all They're only making sure that we don't trip and fall They looked so hard But they can't tell us why they're here and just what for Because they don't know Who opened up the door How can we find out more Who owns the keyless door Where does the circle end Who are the unwatched men Where do we go from here Faith is a fading fear Life is a waiting room I hope they don't call me soon How much more do you really think you know than a flower does about who's behind the door! | |
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Jun 2, 2004, 04:46 pm
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 Throbbing Member  Location: Old Europe Posts: 6,774 | Pooeypants: "Let's be honest, if you saw an advanced race that had the technology to cure most diseases and to feed most of their population, yet their resources are distributed quite unfairly and they're trying to kill each other for no seemingly "logical" reason, I mean what kind of impression would that make?" A pretty poor one. The more technologically advanced we become the more we're getting tangled up in the unwelcome reality of entropy. And advanced technology is a sort of fire we've managed to play with relatively unscathed for a short time now. But we show so little wisdom that it'll probably blow up in our faces sooner rather than later. Maybe that's some sort of universal de facto evolutionary safety net: you have to have the wisdom to survive high-energy technology before you can move out to other worlds. All idle speculation of course. "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne |
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Jun 2, 2004, 10:11 pm
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| Skeptical Patriot Posts: 7,746 | Quote:
Not a day goes by that I don't see something that reinforces my belief that people are idiots. | |
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Jun 2, 2004, 10:15 pm
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| Ch Latour 61  Location: Maryland Posts: 638 | My guess, based on my readings, is that about one planet per galaxy, at any given time, has intellient life. My guess is that intelligent life doesn't usually last long, because we either kill ourseles off or exhaust the physical capacities of the planet we live on. Economic Left/Right -8.88 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian –6.97 |
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Jun 3, 2004, 03:43 pm
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| Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198 | If radio signals are discovered with this Seti thing, it would make the aliens thousands of years more advanced than us, and I'm not so sure I want to meet a race that advanced. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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Jun 3, 2004, 04:06 pm
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| Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198 | Dave654, the reason they would be more advanced than us is simple if you think about it. Imagine for a moment that the city you live in is the Milky Way Galaxy. Let’s further assume that you’re looking for signs of life in this urban agglomeration. It’s raining and you can’t walk the streets, so you decide to hunt for company from home by monitoring a short-wave radio. You hope that some of the life out there is on the air, either as radio hams, CB users or whatever. Clearly, the longer the average time that the broadcasters spend blathering into the microphone, the greater the chance that you’ll stumble into a transmission as you twist your antenna and tune the dial. In SETI circles, this dependence on a society’s technological lifetime is represented by the factor "L" in the famous Drake Equation. In the next two decades, the SETI Institute hopes to use new telescopes (including the Allen Telescope Array) to check out as many as a million Sun-like stars. If we find a signal in that sample, then we’ll know that approximately one in a million solar-type stars has a planet where broadcasters are active. Suppose that sometime in its 10 billion-year lifetime, every Sun-like star eventually cooks up some sophisticated beings. (This is highly unlikely, of course, but hold on…) Since each of these stars will last for roughly 10 billion years, then every civilization has to be on the air for 10,000 years – on average – in order for one in a million of them to be broadcasting now. If we suppose that only one in 10 of the Sun-like stars eventually produces a transmitting society, then they have to be on the air for 100,000 years for one in a million of them to be broadcasting now. And so forth. In other words, even if we are wildly optimistic about the fraction of Sun-like stars that produce sophisticated beings, our chances for SETI success in the near term depend on broadcasting activities that last for at least 10,000 years, and undoubtedly much longer. On Earth, we’ve been transmitting high-powered, high-frequency signals for 50 years or so. That’s 0.5 percent of 10,000 years. In other words, the chances are better (probably much better) than 99.5 percent that any ET we detect in the next decade will be ahead of us, scientifically. Ahead of us by many thousands of years. To them we will be the technological equivalent of club-wielding Neanderthals. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular. |
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Jul 13, 2004, 02:22 pm
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154 | Anyone seen this? http://www.disclosureproject.org/npcwebcast.htm right click/save as http://www.netro.ca/disclosure/npcc_menu.jpg |
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Jul 13, 2004, 03:16 pm
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154 | I'm still watching it know. Not sure what to think. It's incredible no matter what you believe. It's just strange because I have always made fun of people that talk about this stuff. GOnna have to ingest and do a little research on some of these people. |
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Jul 14, 2004, 12:09 pm
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154 | http://extraterrestrial-life.net/Understan...UFO_secrecy.htm http://www.ecologynews.com/cuenews21.html http://ufocasebook.com/disclosureproject.html http://www.cosmicparadigm.com/DisclosureProject.html Quote:
 http://galactic5.no-ip.com/radio/greer/disclosure2.html http://www.seaspower.com/sgreer.htm http://www.disclosureproject.org/mediainterviews.htm http://www.ufomind.com/area51/list/1.../a07-003.shtml | |
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Jul 14, 2004, 03:04 pm
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| Igneous Magma Posts: 649 | The leap of faith is to think that there is NO life out there. That would either be astronomically strange or prove some religions right. (assuming God is finite and only went to work in this one little area.) Protester against the culture war!!!! |
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Jul 14, 2004, 04:19 pm
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 3,154 | Not yet. There has to be at least a blurb from one of the networks. Check this out.... http://stream.netro.ca/netrostream113/disc...lldec122003.wma http://www.disclosureproject.org/writings.htm |
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