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PeterAngelo · Feb 1, 2004, 07:12 pm

The French have introduced a car that sells for $6,500.00 and runs on compressed air. It is due to come out the end of the year for world sales. It is a good seller in France and is even used for taxicabs.

It is perfect for city living and is 1OO% pollution free.

Why aren't American car manufacturers and government agencies making that our top priority?

I justed watched a piece on CNN - foreign report about the car. It is for real. It has been in use in France and is becoming very popular in spite of all expert opinions that said it would never sell.

Experts bought by the oil companies I presume.

tusaki · Feb 1, 2004, 08:40 pm

It's going to be called the 'freedomcar' in America.

PeterAngelo · Feb 2, 2004, 04:04 am

I will have one - it is perfect for a retired beach bum.

Suburbanite · Feb 2, 2004, 06:26 am

Shit, I'm an un-retired beach bum, and $6,500 for a car that doesn't cost me Gas is something I could use. Have any links to any more info?

castille · Feb 2, 2004, 07:13 am

What are the exact specifications of the car?

I mean cars can run on hamsters, but they wont be too fast./

Paavo · Feb 2, 2004, 08:55 am

I found some links on google, here's one:
http://www.edie.net/gf.cfm?L=left_frame.ht...rchive/6522.cfm

Sounds awesome! And with a top speed of 110km/h, it's pretty damn fast for running on air. x)

Suburbanite · Feb 2, 2004, 06:16 pm

Does it HAVE to look so retarded?

Plaything48 · Feb 2, 2004, 06:47 pm

I always find it strange how proposed 'clean and efficient' cars get this nasty futuristic look, although those minority report cars were well nice.

blibbka · Feb 2, 2004, 09:31 pm

I really hope these cars do well. However, it does raise the question of what the effect would be on elctiricty grids if everyone who drove a car was trying to recharge them over-night.

Suburbanite · Feb 3, 2004, 12:07 am

only 24KB wasnt it? That isnt the end of the world.

PatC · Feb 3, 2004, 01:32 am

why does it have to look like it has downs syndrom? Its a great idea but most people want something that looks good. And theres always the American obsession with fast and powerful cars(just look at SUV sales) My guess is that it will sell a few but thats probably about it

Paavo · Feb 3, 2004, 12:35 pm

lol @ comments on its' looks. Yeah, why the hell must they make them so fugly?
Anyways, PatC, we all know it won't be big in the US, but maybe in Europe / Asia? That would be a huge step too. : )

PeterAngelo · Feb 4, 2004, 06:08 pm

Thank god other countries are making progress in spite of our corporate oil-addicted policies.

I will have one - even if it is ugly.

Paavo · Feb 4, 2004, 09:36 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,)
I will have one - even if it is ugly.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Yeah, we can always get down and dirty with some fibreglass and make 'em look like small porsches. :)

white rice · Feb 5, 2004, 04:29 am

The oil industry is very entrenched and powerful. Exxon Mobil is worth more than Norway's or Poland's GDP. It's not only oil itself at stake, but the distribution channels and shipping. In cities, there's practically an oil station on every corner. Changing it would take money, and it might not be Exxon Mobil that distributes it. This wouldn't seem wrong from a pure capitalist, but America isn't pure capitalism. There's lobbies at hand.

Oil is traded as a commodity like gold and it's in American currency. Americans don't realize that oil is more expensive in other countries. Like water and electricity, the government subsidizes it to drive down the price. The American infrastructure largely depends on cheap oil. So there's not a large incliniation to switch because it comes cheap and our competitors are not enjoying the benefits as much as we have. We have the advantage and our leaders will maintain to keep that grip until we are forced to the better alternative. Oil is national security.

Sure the consumer can switch to cleaner automobiles in the meanwhile, but there won't be a market incentives like tax breaks or subsidies as long as those in power will see to it.

castille · Feb 5, 2004, 10:25 am

Yada yada yada oil companies are evil dictators who have secret links to Adolf Hitler yada yada yada

I tell you, the first company to actually develop a non-petrol based car will make a fortune. The oil companies will be powerless, so they'll get all the company funds, shut down oil rigs (while millions of oil workers lose their jobs), then start up new "air powered cars".

Also those air-powered cars are crap. They have to be refuelled every 200 kilometres (thats less than 170 miles to you Americans)? Thats stupid. You can't even drive interstate!

If they get the moron bugs out of those cars, companies like Exxon will be remained "Carron" and will build those cars to compete.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 5, 2004, 10:26 am

Alot of non oil powered transport research are actually funded by oil companies anyway so they'll still get to keep their monopoly. Same as usual. Nothing to see here.

castille · Feb 5, 2004, 10:36 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
Alot of non oil powered transport research are actually funded by oil companies anyway so they'll still get to keep their monopoly. Same as usual. Nothing to see here.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Prove it. Show me the legal papers which state explicitly that non-oil powered transport research are funded by evil American oil companies.

Unless, of course, your "proof" comes from a website any hobo can write up?

PeterAngelo · Feb 6, 2004, 07:36 pm

"Those" pigs are going to be driven into the sea. The fraud of America is now evident to over five billion people.

We are busted and on our way out - good.

U.S. soccer team hears Osama chants in Mexico

Associated Press
Feb. 6, 2004 12:30 PM

ZAPOPAN, Mexico - The Mexican crowd hooted "The Star-Spangled Banner." It booed U.S. goals. It chanted "Osama! Osama! Osama!" as U.S. players left the field with a 2-0 victory.

And that was in a game against Canada on Thursday before just 1,500 people.

**Pooeypants** · Feb 7, 2004, 07:13 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
Alot of non oil powered transport research are actually funded by oil companies anyway so they'll still get to keep their monopoly. Same as usual. Nothing to see here.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Prove it. Show me the legal papers which state explicitly that non-oil powered transport research are funded by evil American oil companies.

Unless, of course, your "proof" comes from a website any hobo can write up?<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
No you're right, seems like the "evil" companies are diverting our research to favour them.

Feb 1, 2004, 08:40 pm	#2 (permalink) (top)
tusaki Playful Location: Groningen, the Netherlands Posts: 805	It's going to be called the 'freedomcar' in America. Hope & Dream

Feb 2, 2004, 07:13 am	#5 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	What are the exact specifications of the car? I mean cars can run on hamsters, but they wont be too fast./ Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 2, 2004, 06:47 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
Plaything48 Igneous Magma Location: London baby, yeah! Posts: 198	I always find it strange how proposed 'clean and efficient' cars get this nasty futuristic look, although those minority report cars were well nice. A man has two reasons for doing anything --- a good reason and the real reason. Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed In spite of the cost of living, it's still popular.

Feb 3, 2004, 01:32 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
PatC most likely drunk Location: Boston Posts: 103	why does it have to look like it has downs syndrom? Its a great idea but most people want something that looks good. And theres always the American obsession with fast and powerful cars(just look at SUV sales) My guess is that it will sell a few but thats probably about it We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun Are we ready?

Feb 4, 2004, 09:36 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PeterAngelo,) I will have one - even if it is ugly.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Yeah, we can always get down and dirty with some fibreglass and make 'em look like small porsches. :)

Feb 1, 2004, 07:12 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	The French have introduced a car that sells for $6,500.00 and runs on compressed air. It is due to come out the end of the year for world sales. It is a good seller in France and is even used for taxicabs. It is perfect for city living and is 1OO% pollution free. Why aren't American car manufacturers and government agencies making that our top priority? I justed watched a piece on CNN - foreign report about the car. It is for real. It has been in use in France and is becoming very popular in spite of all expert opinions that said it would never sell. Experts bought by the oil companies I presume.

Feb 2, 2004, 04:04 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	I will have one - it is perfect for a retired beach bum.

Feb 2, 2004, 06:26 am	#4 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Shit, I'm an un-retired beach bum, and $6,500 for a car that doesn't cost me Gas is something I could use. Have any links to any more info?

Feb 2, 2004, 08:55 am	#6 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	I found some links on google, here's one: http://www.edie.net/gf.cfm?L=left_frame.ht...rchive/6522.cfm Sounds awesome! And with a top speed of 110km/h, it's pretty damn fast for running on air. x)

Feb 2, 2004, 06:16 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	Does it HAVE to look so retarded?

Feb 2, 2004, 09:31 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
blibbka Molten Ash Location: UK Posts: 130	I really hope these cars do well. However, it does raise the question of what the effect would be on elctiricty grids if everyone who drove a car was trying to recharge them over-night.

Feb 3, 2004, 12:07 am	#10 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite BANNED Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,203	only 24KB wasnt it? That isnt the end of the world.

Feb 3, 2004, 12:35 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	lol @ comments on its' looks. Yeah, why the hell must they make them so fugly? Anyways, PatC, we all know it won't be big in the US, but maybe in Europe / Asia? That would be a huge step too. : )

Feb 4, 2004, 06:08 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	Thank god other countries are making progress in spite of our corporate oil-addicted policies. I will have one - even if it is ugly.

Feb 5, 2004, 04:29 am	#15 (permalink) (top)
white rice Igneous Magma Posts: 372	The oil industry is very entrenched and powerful. Exxon Mobil is worth more than Norway's or Poland's GDP. It's not only oil itself at stake, but the distribution channels and shipping. In cities, there's practically an oil station on every corner. Changing it would take money, and it might not be Exxon Mobil that distributes it. This wouldn't seem wrong from a pure capitalist, but America isn't pure capitalism. There's lobbies at hand. Oil is traded as a commodity like gold and it's in American currency. Americans don't realize that oil is more expensive in other countries. Like water and electricity, the government subsidizes it to drive down the price. The American infrastructure largely depends on cheap oil. So there's not a large incliniation to switch because it comes cheap and our competitors are not enjoying the benefits as much as we have. We have the advantage and our leaders will maintain to keep that grip until we are forced to the better alternative. Oil is national security. Sure the consumer can switch to cleaner automobiles in the meanwhile, but there won't be a market incentives like tax breaks or subsidies as long as those in power will see to it. Never underestimate the power of stupid people in large groups

Feb 5, 2004, 10:25 am	#16 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	Yada yada yada oil companies are evil dictators who have secret links to Adolf Hitler yada yada yada I tell you, the first company to actually develop a non-petrol based car will make a fortune. The oil companies will be powerless, so they'll get all the company funds, shut down oil rigs (while millions of oil workers lose their jobs), then start up new "air powered cars". Also those air-powered cars are crap. They have to be refuelled every 200 kilometres (thats less than 170 miles to you Americans)? Thats stupid. You can't even drive interstate! If they get the moron bugs out of those cars, companies like Exxon will be remained "Carron" and will build those cars to compete. Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 5, 2004, 10:26 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,472	Alot of non oil powered transport research are actually funded by oil companies anyway so they'll still get to keep their monopoly. Same as usual. Nothing to see here. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 5, 2004, 10:36 am	#18 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) Alot of non oil powered transport research are actually funded by oil companies anyway so they'll still get to keep their monopoly. Same as usual. Nothing to see here.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Prove it. Show me the legal papers which state explicitly that non-oil powered transport research are funded by evil American oil companies. Unless, of course, your "proof" comes from a website any hobo can write up? Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 6, 2004, 07:36 pm	#19 (permalink) (top)
PeterAngelo Igneous Magma Posts: 169	"Those" pigs are going to be driven into the sea. The fraud of America is now evident to over five billion people. We are busted and on our way out - good. U.S. soccer team hears Osama chants in Mexico Associated Press Feb. 6, 2004 12:30 PM ZAPOPAN, Mexico - The Mexican crowd hooted "The Star-Spangled Banner." It booed U.S. goals. It chanted "Osama! Osama! Osama!" as U.S. players left the field with a 2-0 victory. And that was in a game against Canada on Thursday before just 1,500 people.

Feb 7, 2004, 07:13 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,472	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) Alot of non oil powered transport research are actually funded by oil companies anyway so they'll still get to keep their monopoly. Same as usual. Nothing to see here.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Prove it. Show me the legal papers which state explicitly that non-oil powered transport research are funded by evil American oil companies. Unless, of course, your "proof" comes from a website any hobo can write up?<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No you're right, seems like the "evil" companies are diverting our research to favour them. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before