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**Pooeypants** · Feb 7, 2004, 07:14 am

And here's the evil oil company playing nice guy.

*points above* notice the patronising tone

chicagoastronomer · Feb 10, 2004, 03:59 am

I shall find it hard to give up my 1968 Chevelle.

PatC · Feb 10, 2004, 04:10 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paavo,)
lol @ comments on its' looks. Yeah, why the hell must they make them so fugly?
Anyways, PatC, we all know it won't be big in the US, but maybe in Europe / Asia? That would be a huge step too. : )<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Don't most (or some) peopl in Europe have small cars that are relativly effiecient w/ gas milage? The only place in Europe that i have been to is Russia. Everyone drove mercedes, volgas, and ladas that used leaded gas, which left black crap all over you if you left your window open at night.

Lev · Feb 10, 2004, 04:33 am

Patc, your reply is inconsistent with itself.... and, yes, in England, there a 'fair few' small cars with 'good' effeciency (although, we are not talking about any sum of money that would have an impact on your quality of life)

Its like the person who invented the lightbulb that lasted forever... you wont get to use such a thing in your lifetime. End of.

You'll have forgotten reading about this in 2 months.

Paavo · Feb 10, 2004, 07:06 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PatC,)
Don't most (or some) peopl in Europe have small cars that are relativly effiecient w/ gas milage? The only place in Europe that i have been to is Russia. Everyone drove mercedes, volgas, and ladas that used leaded gas, which left black crap all over you if you left your window open at night.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I wouldn't take Russia as an example of Europes way of moving around.

Their carbase is very old, generally speaking...even if the upper class drive around in expensive, new cars. In fact, I wouldn't take Russia as an example of Europe in any case. Heh.
But yes, to generalize the carbase in Europe, I'd say that most people drive in smaller cars than people in the US do. The thing is, that here (especially in Finland) gas costs alot. Really, alot more than in the US. Which IMO is a good thing. To make people not pollute so much, someone needs to make it too expensive / hard, people are selfish. In Finland, taxes make 75% of the price of gasoline. And if you drive a diesel powered vehicle, you pay a "diesel-tax" on top of all. Of course I'm not saying everyone here are all greenheaded and buy small cars just because they pollute less (smaller engines, GTIs and such are another case, of course), but because having a big car when the space isn't needed just isn't a rational thing to.
And, to go on with my random babble (coffee, should never drink this much), the "big car = big man = much money = good life = large penis" - thing isn't as strong here as it is in the US / alot of other places I guess. People like the way small hatchbacks with efficient power handle. People with huge V8 powered musclecars should just once try out driving, say, a Peugeot 205 GTI with a fourpot 1.6litre engine...just to see how well they handle and go. And all that fun without using up huge amounts of gasoline. And all without being looked at as a loser with a small car / penis.
Ooh, getting really random now. O_o

So, to sum up: "yes".

castille · Feb 10, 2004, 09:36 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)

No you're right, seems like the "evil" companies are diverting our research to favour them. <hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Um, I did say you can't just throw in some website any hobo can make.

Just because the site has economics in it doesnt make it legal. I dont trust any website that writes like "GHOST TOWN BRITAIN CRISIS HIDDEN BY CHRISTMAS GLITZ!!!!!!!".

Oh by the way, here is a very authorative article on why why Jews are evil. Because it comes from a website (gasp!), according to international anti-capitalist conspiracy fans, it MUST be true fact!

Like I said, show me actual legal papers which identify oil companies as "evil monsters".

castille · Feb 10, 2004, 09:38 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
And here's the evil oil company playing nice guy.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

I dont get it.

Why is it that whenever corporations actually do something good for the environment, pot-smoking protestors say "Oh they're just trying to pretend to be nice, in case we found out Adolf Hitler actually controls them".

Ok I admit the pot must fuck their brains up a bit, but what do the hippies want corporations to do? Profit? No. Do good for the community? No. Smoke pot? Probably....

**Pooeypants** · Feb 10, 2004, 11:53 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,)

Like I said, show me actual legal papers which identify oil companies as "evil monsters".<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Actually, it was you that branded them "evil monsters" so the burden of proof is on you. If you look back, I said that Oil Companies have been researching renewable energy which according to the source on Shell and photoelectric panels etc, they have. That supports my part of the claim, now it is your turn to support the case that I implied they're "evil monsters".

Perhaps in future you'll try not to jump the gun, I know it's hard not to blow your load early but...

bugsbunny04 · Feb 14, 2004, 08:20 pm

A new car for 6,500 bucks? With advanced technology? That actually works?

Does any body on here know the french word for "Bullsh*t"?

How about the french word for "Yugo"?

Feb 15, 2004, 03:58 am

"Sure the consumer can switch to cleaner automobiles in the meanwhile, but there won't be a market incentives like tax breaks or subsidies as long as those in power will see to it."
---------------------------------------------------------------------
With "peak oil" here already or just around the corner, and America blindly burning gasoline as if it was an unlimited resource; we prove ourselves to be that which many nations hate. Users and abusers of an excessive percentage of the world's finite resources.

100% tax deductions in one year for a Hummer? Sure! Realistic CAFE standards? Not a chance. Global climate change, insane defecits and national debt, an emptied social security fund...We are much more comfortable being lied to and feeling safe in our comfort zone than face hard truths.

No new taxes, all the perks that you ask for, for free, Just vote for me!

We need to be spending our energy working on a new dynamic. Fossil fuels are soon going to be too expensive to waste them on such things as individual transportation in two ton behemoths and running inefficient power plants.

Instead we allow an "oil man" that never found oil to squat in the White House, and let him risk Armageddon in order to steal enough access to keep his master's companies healthy and wealthy. Wasting wealth and talent on war when the need to reshape our society is imperative is insane, but our collective heads are still in the sand.

):

Comrade · Feb 15, 2004, 07:22 pm

Any of you think it's a coincidence that all hybrid and other alternative energy cars are all ugly and therefore undesirable?
If it were just a few, I could put it down to stupid developers.
"Jee its futuristic, lets make it look like its from a cheesy '80s sci fi movie!"
But its a little too common a problem from designers who have had no trouble making good looking cars before...

bugsbunny04 · Feb 15, 2004, 08:34 pm

They are ugly because they are designed by tree huggers who don't know anything about designing automobiles, not by experience designers who know WTF they are doing1

node · Feb 16, 2004, 03:48 am

wow, this was really interesting... I think after few years, all other countries might sell these car....

**Pooeypants** · Feb 16, 2004, 10:39 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (bugsbunny04,)
They are ugly because they are designed by tree huggers who don't know anything about designing automobiles, not by experience designers who know WTF they are doing1<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
I take it you hate hippies too.

Speed Racer · Feb 16, 2004, 03:12 pm

Jus speculating, but….. It may be so boxy to cover the rather large air tank and still provide some cargo space in a short car that will maneuver in a European city.

bugsbunny04 · Feb 16, 2004, 10:06 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)

I take it you hate hippies too.

<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

No, don't hate tree huggers either, did not say I did. I simply pointed out that they should leave automotive designs to folks like whoever put the new GTO and Chevelle together, and I'm assuming that would be a group gentlemen in Australia, where the Monara from which both cars are derived, is manufatured by the Holden division of General Motors-International. I would hazard a semi-educated guess that these people work for Holden's design team.

floridian · Feb 16, 2004, 10:49 pm

http://www.theaircar.com

The air car hasn't been proven yet - the prototypes have only been able to drive a few miles on an air fill (not the 150 miles they claim).

No pollution? The energy to fill the cyclinders has to come from somewhere. It could be wind or solar or the like, but only when the electrical generators we have now are replaced. But it might be better for air in the cities - move the powerplant outside the city, put scrubbers on the stacks, ship the electricity via wires.

The air car is a good idea. I hope it is developed.

Here are some pictures of the world's first hydrogen filling station - in Reykjavik, Iceland. Picture quality is not great (from camcorder) and I haven't resized them yet (too big, but hey, its free!).
http://66.77.169.171/hydrogen/

somerandomperson · Apr 6, 2004, 07:10 pm

I am sick of listening to people complain about the American energy consumption. We pay for it. Granted, I fully agree that Americans need to start conserving more than we do. But, that does not mean trying to put oil companies out of business by selling all "air powered" and naturally powered cars. Sorry, but the French air-powered car is probably the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Toyota's Scion division looks nicer than THAT.

We have friends in Germany and not once have they complained about American energy consumption, and YES they have been here several times (and lived here).

They are much more energy-efficient. They find it horrible if they forget to turn a light off, or if they leave the TV on when they are not watching. I understand that Americans are used to such a lavish lifestyle (wasting energy) and that it needs to be curved. But you cannot force it upon anybody. I love SUVs and I am sure a lot of people do. Who really cares if it is wasteful? If I am paying for it, then it is MY choice. (And I do not want to hear comments that say "but you're not the one who pays for it, we all do... blah blah blah). I am going to continue to live my lifestyle UNTIL something BETTER comes along.

Point being? The air car is ugly as hell. I will not drive an ugly car. So.... until a better alternative to gas-powered cars comes along (like the new Lexus RX400h), then I will continue to drive my SUV and no one can do a thing about it!

Simon Jester · Apr 7, 2004, 10:32 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (floridian,)
http://www.theaircar.comNo pollution? The energy to fill the cyclinders has to come from somewhere. It could be wind or solar or the like, but only when the electrical generators we have now are replaced.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>[font=verdana][color=navy]Excellent point. When exploring new and exciting technologies, we shouldn’t delude ourselves into thinking that just because the immediate power supply isn’t fossil-fuel powered that we’re out of the woods. Compressed air doesn't grow on trees. It‘s generated by High Pressure Air Compressors, and they generate a fair amount of pollution themselves (the ones I worked with leaked like SIV's and had to have the oil replaced every six hours of operation - on a good day!) One should also consider that containers of compressed air leak, which in the end means a greater electrical load. Since most of the power grid is still fossil-fuel powered, I don't think Air-Powered cars will do much to reduce overall pollution. But you're right, it can get some of it out of the cities. The question is, is it worth it?
Incidentally, Fuel Cells have exactly the same problem. Since they're hydrogen-powered, and hydrogen requires a power source to be freed, all we’re doing is transferring the electrical load to the power grid, which is still mostly fossil-fuel powered.[/font][/color]

Apr 10, 2004, 06:26 pm

200km is not a very good range for a car. It's not very fast either. I would prefer a hydrogen powered car since they perform like a gas powered car. However, the price is right and for driving around town this would be a satisfactory alternative. How long does it take to refill the tank? I didn't see that information of the website?

Feb 7, 2004, 07:14 am	#21 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,541	And here's the evil oil company playing nice guy. points above notice the patronising tone War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 10, 2004, 03:59 am	#22 (permalink) (top)
chicagoastronomer Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	I shall find it hard to give up my 1968 Chevelle. <span style='color:blue'>"We are all in the gutter, but some of us are looking at the stars"...</span> Oscar Wilde 1854-1900

Feb 10, 2004, 04:10 am	#23 (permalink) (top)
PatC most likely drunk Location: Boston Posts: 103	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Paavo,) lol @ comments on its' looks. Yeah, why the hell must they make them so fugly? Anyways, PatC, we all know it won't be big in the US, but maybe in Europe / Asia? That would be a huge step too. : )<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Don't most (or some) peopl in Europe have small cars that are relativly effiecient w/ gas milage? The only place in Europe that i have been to is Russia. Everyone drove mercedes, volgas, and ladas that used leaded gas, which left black crap all over you if you left your window open at night. We're looking at the world through the barrel of a gun Are we ready?

Feb 10, 2004, 04:33 am	#24 (permalink) (top)
Lev Sedimentary Rock Location: Glawwwsta, UK Posts: 9	Patc, your reply is inconsistent with itself.... and, yes, in England, there a 'fair few' small cars with 'good' effeciency (although, we are not talking about any sum of money that would have an impact on your quality of life) Its like the person who invented the lightbulb that lasted forever... you wont get to use such a thing in your lifetime. End of. You'll have forgotten reading about this in 2 months. <span style='font-size:8pt;line-height:100%'><span style='color:blue'>o the things that people say you cannot:</span></span>

Feb 10, 2004, 07:06 am	#25 (permalink) (top)
Paavo Location: Finland Posts: 712	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (PatC,) Don't most (or some) peopl in Europe have small cars that are relativly effiecient w/ gas milage? The only place in Europe that i have been to is Russia. Everyone drove mercedes, volgas, and ladas that used leaded gas, which left black crap all over you if you left your window open at night.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I wouldn't take Russia as an example of Europes way of moving around. Their carbase is very old, generally speaking...even if the upper class drive around in expensive, new cars. In fact, I wouldn't take Russia as an example of Europe in any case. Heh. But yes, to generalize the carbase in Europe, I'd say that most people drive in smaller cars than people in the US do. The thing is, that here (especially in Finland) gas costs alot. Really, alot more than in the US. Which IMO is a good thing. To make people not pollute so much, someone needs to make it too expensive / hard, people are selfish. In Finland, taxes make 75% of the price of gasoline. And if you drive a diesel powered vehicle, you pay a "diesel-tax" on top of all. Of course I'm not saying everyone here are all greenheaded and buy small cars just because they pollute less (smaller engines, GTIs and such are another case, of course), but because having a big car when the space isn't needed just isn't a rational thing to. And, to go on with my random babble (coffee, should never drink this much), the "big car = big man = much money = good life = large penis" - thing isn't as strong here as it is in the US / alot of other places I guess. People like the way small hatchbacks with efficient power handle. People with huge V8 powered musclecars should just once try out driving, say, a Peugeot 205 GTI with a fourpot 1.6litre engine...just to see how well they handle and go. And all that fun without using up huge amounts of gasoline. And all without being looked at as a loser with a small car / penis. Ooh, getting really random now. O_o So, to sum up: "yes".

Feb 10, 2004, 09:36 am	#26 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) No you're right, seems like the "evil" companies are diverting our research to favour them. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Um, I did say you can't just throw in some website any hobo can make. Just because the site has economics in it doesnt make it legal. I dont trust any website that writes like "GHOST TOWN BRITAIN CRISIS HIDDEN BY CHRISTMAS GLITZ!!!!!!!". Oh by the way, here is a very authorative article on why why Jews are evil. Because it comes from a website (gasp!), according to international anti-capitalist conspiracy fans, it MUST be true fact! Like I said, show me actual legal papers which identify oil companies as "evil monsters". Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 10, 2004, 09:38 am	#27 (permalink) (top)
castille Citizen #21521 Posts: 2,599	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) And here's the evil oil company playing nice guy.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I dont get it. Why is it that whenever corporations actually do something good for the environment, pot-smoking protestors say "Oh they're just trying to pretend to be nice, in case we found out Adolf Hitler actually controls them". Ok I admit the pot must fuck their brains up a bit, but what do the hippies want corporations to do? Profit? No. Do good for the community? No. Smoke pot? Probably.... Ideological loyalty is the act of giving your soul to a vague concept, to be manipulated by people smarter than you.

Feb 10, 2004, 11:53 am	#28 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,541	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (castille,) Like I said, show me actual legal papers which identify oil companies as "evil monsters".<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Actually, it was you that branded them "evil monsters" so the burden of proof is on you. If you look back, I said that Oil Companies have been researching renewable energy which according to the source on Shell and photoelectric panels etc, they have. That supports my part of the claim, now it is your turn to support the case that I implied they're "evil monsters". Perhaps in future you'll try not to jump the gun, I know it's hard not to blow your load early but... War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 14, 2004, 08:20 pm	#29 (permalink) (top)
bugsbunny04 Untrained Fodder Location: Alabama Posts: 1,354	A new car for 6,500 bucks? With advanced technology? That actually works? Does any body on here know the french word for "Bullsh*t"? How about the french word for "Yugo"? Clean toe caps and a filthy mouth! Low morals and high morale!

Feb 15, 2004, 03:58 am	#30 (permalink) (top)
SecondComing Guest Posts: n/a	"Sure the consumer can switch to cleaner automobiles in the meanwhile, but there won't be a market incentives like tax breaks or subsidies as long as those in power will see to it." --------------------------------------------------------------------- With "peak oil" here already or just around the corner, and America blindly burning gasoline as if it was an unlimited resource; we prove ourselves to be that which many nations hate. Users and abusers of an excessive percentage of the world's finite resources. 100% tax deductions in one year for a Hummer? Sure! Realistic CAFE standards? Not a chance. Global climate change, insane defecits and national debt, an emptied social security fund...We are much more comfortable being lied to and feeling safe in our comfort zone than face hard truths. No new taxes, all the perks that you ask for, for free, Just vote for me! We need to be spending our energy working on a new dynamic. Fossil fuels are soon going to be too expensive to waste them on such things as individual transportation in two ton behemoths and running inefficient power plants. Instead we allow an "oil man" that never found oil to squat in the White House, and let him risk Armageddon in order to steal enough access to keep his master's companies healthy and wealthy. Wasting wealth and talent on war when the need to reshape our society is imperative is insane, but our collective heads are still in the sand. ):

Feb 15, 2004, 07:22 pm	#31 (permalink) (top)
Comrade Hot Lava Location: Texas Posts: 1,229	Any of you think it's a coincidence that all hybrid and other alternative energy cars are all ugly and therefore undesirable? If it were just a few, I could put it down to stupid developers. "Jee its futuristic, lets make it look like its from a cheesy '80s sci fi movie!" But its a little too common a problem from designers who have had no trouble making good looking cars before... Oh, it's really too bad, isn't it? -- http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/050121/480/watw10701210224 Hahaha, that's funny. Liberals are so silly!

Feb 15, 2004, 08:34 pm	#32 (permalink) (top)
bugsbunny04 Untrained Fodder Location: Alabama Posts: 1,354	They are ugly because they are designed by tree huggers who don't know anything about designing automobiles, not by experience designers who know WTF they are doing1 Clean toe caps and a filthy mouth! Low morals and high morale!

Feb 16, 2004, 03:48 am	#33 (permalink) (top)
node Sedimentary Rock Posts: 10	wow, this was really interesting... I think after few years, all other countries might sell these car....

Feb 16, 2004, 10:39 am	#34 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,541	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (bugsbunny04,) They are ugly because they are designed by tree huggers who don't know anything about designing automobiles, not by experience designers who know WTF they are doing1<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> I take it you hate hippies too. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 16, 2004, 03:12 pm	#35 (permalink) (top)
Speed Racer Sedimentary Rock Posts: 2	Jus speculating, but….. It may be so boxy to cover the rather large air tank and still provide some cargo space in a short car that will maneuver in a European city. He’s a demon and he’s gonna be chasing after someone

Feb 16, 2004, 10:06 pm	#36 (permalink) (top)
bugsbunny04 Untrained Fodder Location: Alabama Posts: 1,354	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) I take it you hate hippies too. <hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No, don't hate tree huggers either, did not say I did. I simply pointed out that they should leave automotive designs to folks like whoever put the new GTO and Chevelle together, and I'm assuming that would be a group gentlemen in Australia, where the Monara from which both cars are derived, is manufatured by the Holden division of General Motors-International. I would hazard a semi-educated guess that these people work for Holden's design team. Clean toe caps and a filthy mouth! Low morals and high morale!

Feb 16, 2004, 10:49 pm	#37 (permalink) (top)
floridian Molten Ash Posts: 84	http://www.theaircar.com The air car hasn't been proven yet - the prototypes have only been able to drive a few miles on an air fill (not the 150 miles they claim). No pollution? The energy to fill the cyclinders has to come from somewhere. It could be wind or solar or the like, but only when the electrical generators we have now are replaced. But it might be better for air in the cities - move the powerplant outside the city, put scrubbers on the stacks, ship the electricity via wires. The air car is a good idea. I hope it is developed. Here are some pictures of the world's first hydrogen filling station - in Reykjavik, Iceland. Picture quality is not great (from camcorder) and I haven't resized them yet (too big, but hey, its free!). http://66.77.169.171/hydrogen/

Apr 6, 2004, 07:10 pm	#38 (permalink) (top)
somerandomperson Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	I am sick of listening to people complain about the American energy consumption. We pay for it. Granted, I fully agree that Americans need to start conserving more than we do. But, that does not mean trying to put oil companies out of business by selling all "air powered" and naturally powered cars. Sorry, but the French air-powered car is probably the ugliest thing I've ever seen. Toyota's Scion division looks nicer than THAT. We have friends in Germany and not once have they complained about American energy consumption, and YES they have been here several times (and lived here). They are much more energy-efficient. They find it horrible if they forget to turn a light off, or if they leave the TV on when they are not watching. I understand that Americans are used to such a lavish lifestyle (wasting energy) and that it needs to be curved. But you cannot force it upon anybody. I love SUVs and I am sure a lot of people do. Who really cares if it is wasteful? If I am paying for it, then it is MY choice. (And I do not want to hear comments that say "but you're not the one who pays for it, we all do... blah blah blah). I am going to continue to live my lifestyle UNTIL something BETTER comes along. Point being? The air car is ugly as hell. I will not drive an ugly car. So.... until a better alternative to gas-powered cars comes along (like the new Lexus RX400h), then I will continue to drive my SUV and no one can do a thing about it!

Apr 7, 2004, 10:32 am	#39 (permalink) (top)
Simon Jester Sedimentary Rock Location: 127.1.1.1 Posts: 16	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (floridian,) http://www.theaircar.comNo pollution? The energy to fill the cyclinders has to come from somewhere. It could be wind or solar or the like, but only when the electrical generators we have now are replaced.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>[font=verdana][color=navy]Excellent point. When exploring new and exciting technologies, we shouldn’t delude ourselves into thinking that just because the immediate power supply isn’t fossil-fuel powered that we’re out of the woods. Compressed air doesn't grow on trees. It‘s generated by High Pressure Air Compressors, and they generate a fair amount of pollution themselves (the ones I worked with leaked like SIV's and had to have the oil replaced every six hours of operation - on a good day!) One should also consider that containers of compressed air leak, which in the end means a greater electrical load. Since most of the power grid is still fossil-fuel powered, I don't think Air-Powered cars will do much to reduce overall pollution. But you're right, it can get some of it out of the cities. The question is, is it worth it? Incidentally, Fuel Cells have exactly the same problem. Since they're hydrogen-powered, and hydrogen requires a power source to be freed, all we’re doing is transferring the electrical load to the power grid, which is still mostly fossil-fuel powered.[/font][/color]

Apr 10, 2004, 06:26 pm	#40 (permalink) (top)
dave654 Guest Posts: n/a	200km is not a very good range for a car. It's not very fast either. I would prefer a hydrogen powered car since they perform like a gas powered car. However, the price is right and for driving around town this would be a satisfactory alternative. How long does it take to refill the tank? I didn't see that information of the website?