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John · Sep 3, 2003, 02:09 am

As some of you may of heard today, astronomers have found a pretty big asteroid, that on impact could have an impact of 20 million heroshima bombs. Although its unlikely to impact earth around 909,000 - 1 chance (how they worked that out i dont know) it is kinda scary looking into the future at all these asteroids that could potentially ruin life on earth as we know it. I think there should be some sort of international program to take out such risky asteroids, the idea is not as pointless as we may come to believe. And in this world i dont think we can rely on bruce willis to drill a hole into an asteroid harder then any material we have here and to blow it in half perfectly with a nuke.

Heres one of many articles about the asteroid
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/09/...reut/index.html

Gwala · Sep 3, 2003, 05:41 am

That 1 in 909,000 is based on 54 Sattelite and Telescope readings. Get over it. Its nearly a 1 in a million chance, and its a lot smaller than the other asteroid presumed to have hit earth 65 million years ago.

Personally, I think this is just another bit of hype to fill up a slow news week.

-Gwala

Dislogic · Sep 3, 2003, 04:51 pm

well if you really want to preserve human life then we have to allocate more money to space exploration and the finding of new techs that will allow travel to other planets... the more we do this the more of a chance we will have to destroy or avoid an asteriod if it comes close to earth because our technology will be better. Thats my opinion anyway. and also Earth is our Home planet however it cant be forever and one day it will be destroyed by who knows what ... either an asteriod, coming to close to the sun, or who knows mabye even another space race...

Sep 3, 2003, 05:00 pm

the destruction of the earth is inevitable.

everyone will die eventually.

get over it.

it goes along with my famous saying "Eat Healthy. Exercise. Die anyway."
When the Sun gets too close, we'll have to move off of the Earth. And then in another 300 million years we'll have to do it again. And eventually we won't have to run away becuase our bodies will have developed immunities and adapted to almost any environment, becoming seemingly invincible. And then what reason do we have to live?

Dislogic · Sep 3, 2003, 05:18 pm

for that reason you can say theres no point to live now so we might as well not do anything to further our race. This is just a stupid thing to say, you make life mean what you want it to mean...

Black Fox · Sep 3, 2003, 06:48 pm

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Originally posted by Dislogic@Sep 3 2003, 04:51 PM
well if you really want to preserve human life then we have to allocate more money to space exploration and the finding of new techs that will allow travel to other planets... the more we do this the more of a chance we will have to destroy or avoid an asteriod if it comes close to earth because our technology will be better.

The problem with allocating more money to develop technology to enable faster-than-light travel speeds is that there's no guarantee that a certain amount of money will deliver certain results. You could throw trillions at the problem and come up with nothing... or you could just spend a few extra million and come up with a result.

Dislogic · Sep 3, 2003, 07:15 pm

understanding that... i just mean that the more resources in general (not necessarily money) that are allocated to the populating of other worlds and space exploration the bigger chance we have of getting there faster. obviously.

einned · Sep 4, 2003, 02:27 pm

Money for travelling at lightspeed whilst maintaining luxurious legspace for your mother-in-law. Wouldn't it be simpeler to try and figure out a way to divert the damn things.
The problem that arises when you go into outer space and colonize another planet is that the ones who will go to mars or something like that will probarbly be filthy rich.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Sep 4, 2003, 03:15 pm

Here is how you work the odds. You work the ballistic with the median data, use your certainty of data to determine the standard deviation, then count the standard deviations you have to off by to hit the Earth. From there you can easily calculate a percentage since there is a standard formula for it.

**Pooeypants** · Sep 4, 2003, 05:20 pm

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Originally posted by John@Sep 3 2003, 07:09 AM
As some of you may of heard today, astronomers have found a pretty big asteroid, that on impact could have an impact of 20 million heroshima bombs. Although its unlikely to impact earth around 909,000 - 1 chance (how they worked that out i dont know) it is kinda scary looking into the future at all these asteroids that could potentially ruin life on earth as we know it. I think there should be some sort of international program to take out such risky asteroids, the idea is not as pointless as we may come to believe. And in this world i dont think we can rely on bruce willis to drill a hole into an asteroid harder then any material we have here and to blow it in half perfectly with a nuke.

Heres one of many articles about the asteroid
http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/09/...reut/index.html

btw, Armaggeddon the movie is literally the most scientifically inaccurate film I've yet to see. The energy required to move that massive texas sized asteriod apart at such a rate is equal to or more than the energy produced by the sun in one second (I'll have to look it up but its around that).

Anyway, there are always rogue asteriods flung around and the gov'ts don't really take it that seriously...they'd rather spend billions are weapons that would probably never be used than on equipment for detecting ELE causing astro bodies.

It kind of shows how shortsighted our politicians etc are.

Dislogic · Sep 4, 2003, 06:04 pm

well i think someday someone will wake up and do all the right things... atleast i hope so. I mean the thing is in all actuality, we are still a new race and still in the stages of fighting eachother for stupid reasons. Someday it will be a must that the earth is controlled by one government and one government alone in order to deal with other alien life (i belive in alien life not because there is any proof, just because its an idea i love to think about, its kind of the same feeling people think about religon i think) in the universe for good or bad.

GreatWyrm of Babylon · Sep 4, 2003, 08:37 pm

Yes, we need to fund the space project. Then we can find some aliens we hate worse than each other and treat them badly instead. :)

Dislogic · Sep 4, 2003, 09:51 pm

lol, atleast we would be united... the current state of affairs is i think to no ones eye appealing...

John · Sep 4, 2003, 10:13 pm

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Originally posted by Pooeypants@Sep 4 2003, 05:20 PM
[btw, Armaggeddon the movie is literally the most scientifically inaccurate film I've yet to see. The energy required to move that massive texas sized asteriod apart at such a rate is equal to or more than the energy produced by the sun in one second (I'll have to look it up but its around that).

yes i was implying that it was a far fetched story

Dislogic · Sep 4, 2003, 10:29 pm

i liked the movie :( Bruce Willis kicks some ass!

The movie was very unrealistic though... if it was realistic it would have ended with the asteriod destroying our planet... and that wouldnt be a very exciting movie would it...

John · Sep 4, 2003, 11:48 pm

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Originally posted by Dislogic@Sep 4 2003, 10:29 PM
i liked the movie :( Bruce Willis kicks some ass!

The movie was very unrealistic though... if it was realistic it would have ended with the asteriod destroying our planet... and that wouldnt be a very exciting movie would it...

Terminator 3 ends with the planet being destroyed and it was cool

Fallen Angel · Sep 5, 2003, 05:18 am

It did'nt get destroyed, only our global civilisation got smashed, personally I can't really see us surviving those machines, there too leathal.

**Pooeypants** · Sep 5, 2003, 08:57 am

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Originally posted by John+Sep 5 2003, 03:13 AM--></div><table border='0' align='center' width='95%' cellpadding='3' cellspacing='1'><tr><td>QUOTE (John @ Sep 5 2003, 03:13 AM)</td></tr><tr><td id='QUOTE'> <!--QuoteBegin-Pooeypants@Sep 4 2003, 05:20 PM
[btw, Armaggeddon the movie is literally the most scientifically inaccurate film I've yet to see. The energy required to move that massive texas sized asteriod apart at such a rate is equal to or more than the energy produced by the sun in one second (I'll have to look it up but its around that).

yes i was implying that it was a far fetched story [/b][/quote]
Saying it was far fetched is like calling Bill Clinton an honest politician. Ok, maybe now I'm being unfair...

**Pooeypants** · Sep 5, 2003, 08:58 am

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Originally posted by Fallen Angel@Sep 5 2003, 10:18 AM
It did'nt get destroyed, only our global civilisation got smashed, personally I can't really see us surviving those machines, there too leathal.

There was one flaw in the AI's plan, it was nuking all cities where there are plenty of PCs it was dweeling in as software, hence with all that EMP induced Skynet could've nearly taken out itself...

Fallen Angel · Sep 6, 2003, 08:18 am

Thats what I saw as a huge flaw in it too, these movies you guys make are good with the effects and stunts etc, but the story lines seems to get about as deep as a kiddys pool, more stuff like 12 monkeys or original planet of the Apes would be better, shock endings are the best.
That Ring movie was ok too, I was having trouble having a shower sometimes because of it, that freaky bitch, shudder.

Sep 3, 2003, 02:09 am	#1 (permalink) (top)
John Molten Ash Location: Queensland, Australia Posts: 118	As some of you may of heard today, astronomers have found a pretty big asteroid, that on impact could have an impact of 20 million heroshima bombs. Although its unlikely to impact earth around 909,000 - 1 chance (how they worked that out i dont know) it is kinda scary looking into the future at all these asteroids that could potentially ruin life on earth as we know it. I think there should be some sort of international program to take out such risky asteroids, the idea is not as pointless as we may come to believe. And in this world i dont think we can rely on bruce willis to drill a hole into an asteroid harder then any material we have here and to blow it in half perfectly with a nuke. Heres one of many articles about the asteroid http://edition.cnn.com/2003/TECH/space/09/...reut/index.html Only the dead have seen the end of war - Plato

Sep 3, 2003, 04:51 pm	#3 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	well if you really want to preserve human life then we have to allocate more money to space exploration and the finding of new techs that will allow travel to other planets... the more we do this the more of a chance we will have to destroy or avoid an asteriod if it comes close to earth because our technology will be better. Thats my opinion anyway. and also Earth is our Home planet however it cant be forever and one day it will be destroyed by who knows what ... either an asteriod, coming to close to the sun, or who knows mabye even another space race... <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Sep 3, 2003, 05:18 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	for that reason you can say theres no point to live now so we might as well not do anything to further our race. This is just a stupid thing to say, you make life mean what you want it to mean... <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Sep 3, 2003, 07:15 pm	#7 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	understanding that... i just mean that the more resources in general (not necessarily money) that are allocated to the populating of other worlds and space exploration the bigger chance we have of getting there faster. obviously. <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Sep 4, 2003, 02:27 pm	#8 (permalink) (top)
einned Sedimentary Rock Location: The Netherlands Posts: 24	Money for travelling at lightspeed whilst maintaining luxurious legspace for your mother-in-law. Wouldn't it be simpeler to try and figure out a way to divert the damn things. The problem that arises when you go into outer space and colonize another planet is that the ones who will go to mars or something like that will probarbly be filthy rich. A runner must run with dreams in his heart, not money in his pocket. Emil Zatopek

Sep 3, 2003, 05:41 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Gwala Sedimentary Rock Posts: 11	That 1 in 909,000 is based on 54 Sattelite and Telescope readings. Get over it. Its nearly a 1 in a million chance, and its a lot smaller than the other asteroid presumed to have hit earth 65 million years ago. Personally, I think this is just another bit of hype to fill up a slow news week. -Gwala

Sep 3, 2003, 05:00 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
Gregory Guest Posts: n/a	the destruction of the earth is inevitable. everyone will die eventually. get over it. it goes along with my famous saying "Eat Healthy. Exercise. Die anyway." When the Sun gets too close, we'll have to move off of the Earth. And then in another 300 million years we'll have to do it again. And eventually we won't have to run away becuase our bodies will have developed immunities and adapted to almost any environment, becoming seemingly invincible. And then what reason do we have to live?

Sep 4, 2003, 03:15 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Here is how you work the odds. You work the ballistic with the median data, use your certainty of data to determine the standard deviation, then count the standard deviations you have to off by to hit the Earth. From there you can easily calculate a percentage since there is a standard formula for it. Logical Fallicies Link

Sep 4, 2003, 06:04 pm	#11 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	well i think someday someone will wake up and do all the right things... atleast i hope so. I mean the thing is in all actuality, we are still a new race and still in the stages of fighting eachother for stupid reasons. Someday it will be a must that the earth is controlled by one government and one government alone in order to deal with other alien life (i belive in alien life not because there is any proof, just because its an idea i love to think about, its kind of the same feeling people think about religon i think) in the universe for good or bad. <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Sep 4, 2003, 08:37 pm	#12 (permalink) (top)
GreatWyrm of Babylon Avatar of Tiamut Location: Dallas, Texas (Irving) Posts: 848	Yes, we need to fund the space project. Then we can find some aliens we hate worse than each other and treat them badly instead. :) Logical Fallicies Link

Sep 4, 2003, 09:51 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	lol, atleast we would be united... the current state of affairs is i think to no ones eye appealing... <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Sep 4, 2003, 10:29 pm	#15 (permalink) (top)
Dislogic Molten Ash Location: USA Posts: 115	i liked the movie :( Bruce Willis kicks some ass! The movie was very unrealistic though... if it was realistic it would have ended with the asteriod destroying our planet... and that wouldnt be a very exciting movie would it... <span style='color:gray'><span style='font-family:Geneva'><span style='font-size:7.5pt;line-height:100%'>Kerry/Edwards 2004: He can't make up his mind, but at least he has one.</span></span></span>

Sep 5, 2003, 05:18 am	#17 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	It did'nt get destroyed, only our global civilisation got smashed, personally I can't really see us surviving those machines, there too leathal.

Sep 6, 2003, 08:18 am	#20 (permalink) (top)
Fallen Angel Igneous Magma Location: Sydney,Australia. Posts: 333	Thats what I saw as a huge flaw in it too, these movies you guys make are good with the effects and stunts etc, but the story lines seems to get about as deep as a kiddys pool, more stuff like 12 monkeys or original planet of the Apes would be better, shock endings are the best. That Ring movie was ok too, I was having trouble having a shower sometimes because of it, that freaky bitch, shudder.