Thanks. Does make me wonder about the nature of the field (Higg's) that mass's reaction against yields observable differences of influence dependent on mass. Electric charge, and gravity as a type of charge, is compared in the vid to mass as an energy quanta at the proposed Higgs level that is proposed to be explaining mass as another type of "charge."Quote by: HoleyCarbonGrid
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
I have no idea of what you just said. I suspect that this may be your point.
Why is his education level or lack of education level relevant to the discussion? How would you like it if I questioned you about your expertise level on topics you discussed?
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Absolutely:
"All the matter we can see appears to comprise just 4% of the Universe, the rest being made up by mysterious dark matter and dark energy.
A more exotic version of the Higgs could be a bridge to understanding the 96% of the Universe that remains obscure."
I think you should probably contextualize what happened here. Charlatan's post implied that he knows as much about this as physicists, to the point of being able to dispute the Standard Model of particle physics.Why is his education level or lack of education level relevant to the discussion? How would you like it if I questioned you about your expertise level on topics you discussed?
I think that the question of whether he is a physicist is appropriate in such circumstances, even as a simple rhetorical device.
But truth, Hajjaj was convinced, held many layers.
Not my point. Trying to figure out how to talk about those things. Was referring to the linked citation drawing animation HoleyCarbonGrid gave. It mentioned the Higgs field as something that a particle with variable quantities(?) of the Higgs bosons reacting to Higgs field. Neutrinos having almost no Higgs particles, almost no mass, do not react to the field to which mass reacts. Instead of a deflection than an electron experiences in a magnetic field, the Higgs boson reacts to the Higgs field. I'm just trying to figure out how to talk of the motion, the name given to that type of motion connected with the Higgs boson's reaction to the Higgs field. They are all fudges as far as I can see. Just a taxonomical way of lining up observations to apply some equations for predictive purposes. The further away from mechanical concepts the better job security there is for those CERN physicists.
If the terrain and the map do not agree, follow the terrain.
When motherhood becomes the fruit of a deep yearning, not the result of ignorance or accident, its children will become a new race.
I'd be entirely happy. I never hold forth about plumbing because I am not a plumber, and it seems to me merely silly for non-physicists to hold forth about physics. The people who make the discoveries have Ph.Ds in the subject. Given the difficulty of modern science, what can the ignorant usefully say?
My understanding of it is that it's not so much the Higg's boson that gives mass to other particles. Rather, the Higg's boson is the elementary particle that is the quanta of the Higg's field (in much the same way that a photon is the elementary particle for an electromagnetic field). In other words, it's not that particles with mass have Higg's bosons attached or something - rather, that their mass is an intrinsic property of those particles (much the same way that charge is an intrinsic property of electrons, for example), and that their interaction with the "mass field," if one could term it that way is mediated by the Higg's boson.
Physics has moved far beyond simple mechanical models - Newton's laws still apply, but the frontier is far, far beyond them. I would certainly never claim to be an expert in theoretical or experimental physics, but I doubt the search for the underlying nature of matter and the universe is any more in the vein of self-interest than the search for new antibiotics is.
Pro scientia et humanitate.
So, without the higgs, the atom would be massless? If you cut the higgs off the whole particle, would the other things be massless?
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How many people on discussing this topic right now on this thread are physicists? Charltan was not holding forth anything. He was merely sharing his opinion. He made no such implication in the remotest sense that he is a physicist. I think the real issue here is what you knew that Chartlan said was wrong but you yourself are not well versed in physics so instead of addressing the incorrect idea he put forth you resorted to an Ad Hominem. I will be sure to ask for your qualifications on every topic you discuss on this forum from now on. Thanks.
It is my opinion that persons who know nothing of subjects don't help by discussing them, but all I did was ask whether a poster had such knowledge. I know nothing of physics I didn't get from science fiction or the New Scientist, so I do not discuss it, and tend to regard such discussions as pretty pointless. Don't you? I do know, from following American sites, that democracy is one thing, deciding about 'truth' by way of ignorant opinionatedness and head-counting rather another. By all means ask my qualifications; they are, essentially, those of a very politically-involved 'Welsh' academic who never feels the need to quote Wikipedia and has been around rather a long time! :)
You didn't simply ask a poster if he knowledge. You asked him if he had qualifications to speak on the topic. You do realize that not a single person discussing the higgs boson particle on this thread is a physicist don't you? Why don't you question them? Debate the points not the debater. If Charltan says something that is incorrect then correct his incorrect statement unless you are unable to because you are not knowledgeable of the subject in which case in you are in the same boat as him and all your comments on the topic are useless and it is best to stay away from the discussion altogether.
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