Man On Mars

[Anarchist Patriot]

Do you think it will be possible to put a man on Mars? What if we create an artificial atmosphere where the air on Mars would actually be breathable? Can this be done?

Immagine if we create new colonies. Maybe in the future we can releave the Earth's overpopulation!

[Pooeypants]

Look for the Eden Project centered in UK. It'll give you an idea of what kind of structure we'd likely to build on Mars for long expeditions.

[Impenitent]

sure we can do it, but we won't until there is a profit to it

[Sean]

I guess I never understood the whole point to all of this exploration of Mars. Here we are searching for what was possibly an ocean at some point, and in the meantime we ignore the quality of life that exists here. It's an old argument yes, but it's a valid one. More money needs to be spent on keeping the Earth alive before we go elsewhere in my opinion.

[zkreso]

I agree with Impenitent, we won't do it until there is an economic, military, or political profit to be made from it

[Pooeypants]

It'd be a good place for us to learn how to colonise other systems and will probably be the site of where we launch outer solar expeditions.

[Plaything48]

What your suggesting is terraformation, and if I know people, like I think I do, we would only transform Mars into other earth with a different sunrise and sunset, and odd houred days. Theres nothing too great about it.

[James Bath]

There has been speculation that humans originally came FROM Mars. One scenario is that at one time our sun was a little hotter than it is now, and provided enough heat to support animal life on the red planet. As the sun cooled over eons, the Martian atmosphere gradually thinned, water vapor vanished into the ground and around the poles, and a gradual freeze set into the whole planet, eliminating life. The winds of time and meteor strikes covered over all remains.

But before the last of the civilized beings disappeared, the remaining ones migrated to Earth. Evolution over time, on Earth, transformed them into what we are today.

Just speculation. But fun.

[Pooeypants]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Plaything48,)
What your suggesting is terraformation, and if I know people, like I think I do, we would only transform Mars into other earth with a different sunrise and sunset, and odd houred days. Theres nothing too great about it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
Consider how overpopulated we'd get if India and China (which has done work) continue to grow like they are now. Consider the overwhelmingly stupid amounts of resources we use up per person in the west. Or how much pollant we're pouring out everyday for the sake of little luxaries.

Space and resources are finite on earth and at the way we're using them up, we'll soon need a new planet to exploit and degrade. We are a virus, we must spread our selves, it is our destiny.

[Pooeypants]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (James Bath,)
There has been speculation that humans originally came FROM Mars. One scenario is that at one time our sun was a little hotter than it is now, and provided enough heat to support animal life on the red planet. As the sun cooled over eons, the Martian atmosphere gradually thinned, water vapor vanished into the ground and around the poles, and a gradual freeze set into the whole planet, eliminating life. The winds of time and meteor strikes covered over all remains.

But before the last of the civilized beings disappeared, the remaining ones migrated to Earth. Evolution over time, on Earth, transformed them into what we are today.

Just speculation. But fun.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>
That film, Red Planet (or was it Mission to Mars?) either, both crap but one of them borrowed that story you've just mentioned.
It's rather intriguing one but even with my wild imagination, I can't quite "accept" it.

[castille]

The world isn't overpopulated. Huge areas aren't being used.

For example: Soviet Far East contains very little people. So does Central Australia, South America (Amazon), and if you get desperate, the sea.

If we overgrow the cities, we can resettle people to new lands.

Theres been demands from Chinese students to expand China's living space into Russia's Far East and China's mountainous Western provinces.

Or alternatively, a cheaper method is to establish underwater cities. Its a viable concept (and its not dangerous, Mars would be just as dangerous).


Mars is too expensive to settle....the transportation cost would be enormous.

[Pooeypants]

Overpopulation in terms of resource consumption is what I'm on about. Living under the sea is quite an attractive idea though, I mean 70% of the world is covered in water so if we can establish undersea colonies we can start exploiting all those resouces on the seabed as well. But as you know, unless we stop this growth, we'll soon be running dry of said resources, what then? Stay on this forsaken planet and die out at our own hands?

[castille]

What resources?

If you mean oil, right now energy corporations who don't have oil rigs are actively trying to improve solar and nuclear power....

If you mean food, right now genetic foods can be grown in non-arable land and is resistance to pests....(if only the hippies would agree with this, instead of smoking pot)

If you mean water....well the concern is we'll be getting too much water in future!


What other resources are we running out of?

[Pooeypants]

Oil isn't used just for burning, it's a starting stock for making plastics, for medicine etc. The hydrocarbons don't appear out of thin air and these supplies will take literally millions of years to replenish.

[Capitalist Pig]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (James Bath,)
Just speculation.  But fun.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>There's also an area of science attempting to prove the same thing, only under a different light. Panspermia, an idea more commonly known as the theory of cosmic ancestry, says that life could have originated through stellar means. That is, no abiogenesis took place on the Earth itself, bacterium was simply transported here through a comet, or something like that. It's largely dismissed by the mainstream scientific community, because its evidence is scant and I'm inclined to agree. Moreover, it doesn't solve the problem of explaining how life originated. All it says is "life comes from space because life comes from life." Many consider this to be some form of creationism (not necessarily Biblical, as there are other forms of creationism than Christian fundamentalist, but creationism nonetheless).

The Mars connection begins with a meteorite that landed in Antartica, which appeared to contain fossilized organisms. Proponents of panspermia cite this example as hard evidence that "nanobacterium" can be transported here from meteorites.

http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960817.html

[James Bath]

</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Capitalist Pig,)

http://apod.gsfc.nasa.gov/apod/ap960817.html<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'>

Thanks for the info.