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    Humans and technology are merging

    [RAY] Kurzweil, the acclaimed inventor and futurist, believes that humans and technology are blurring -- note the smartphone appendages in almost everyone's hand -- and will eventually merge.

    "We are a human-machine civilization. Everybody has been enhanced with computer technology," he told a capacity crowd of more than 3,000 tech-savvy listeners Monday at the South by Southwest Interactive conference. "They're really part of who we are.

    "If we can convince people that computers have complexity of thought and nuance ... we'll come to accept them as human."

    "We created these tools to extend our reach," he said -- something we've been doing as humans "ever since we first picked up a stick to reach a tree branch."

    Kurzweil believes technology is advancing at exponential speed -- so fast that previously unimaginable inventions will be a reality within decades. He cited nanotechnology -- microscopic computers -- that will be 1,000 times more powerful than human blood cells and injected in people's bloodstreams to give them superhuman endurance.

    He also believes computer technology is democratizing society by empowering anyone with creativity and and a broadband connection.

    "You can start world-changing revolution with the power of your ideas and the tools that everyone has," he said. "A kid in Africa has access to more information than the president of the United States did 15 years ago."
    Futurist: We'll someday accept computers as human - CNN.com

    I agree. There's nothing that prohibits humans from augmenting themselves to improve our lives. The imperative for any animal is to live, humans are no different. I think as time passes we'll see more of our bodies replaced and augmented by mechanical devices. Why suffer with poor eyesight if your eyes can be replaced with mechanical eyes that work better and provide even more functionality than their organic equivalent. We're already seeing success in replacing limbs and some organs with computer-controlled mechanical devices.

    Once we reach a point where all the organic parts of a human have been replaced with machinery and the last biological human dies, we'll no longer be the human race. Our species will end and the age of the mechanical man (and woman) will have arrived. Human evolution will be over.

    I'm not making a moral judgement about this process. I don't believe there's a moral element to this. Somewhere along the line we may wind up creating humans who can live hundreds of years due to their mechanical parts. I'm not saying this would be a completely good thing. As far as we know all biological life forms die, so we should expect that the organic parts of a computer-human hybrid will eventually die. Perhaps as hybrids we'll do less damage to our environment and our extended lives won't have as detrimental an effect on the planet as our completely biological forms do now. Perhaps humans will become extinct before we ever get that far.



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    I don't see anything particularly wrong with it...I just wonder if say 2,000 yrs [random number] from now we'll be more machine than man.. I'm not sure if I'm scared about this lol I guess it's just thought provoking.

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    This all seems to more or less overlap with the theory of the singularity, which posits some day we will make machines more intelligent than ourselves and that these machines, by virtue of their superior intelligence, will then more rapidly produce machines more intelligent than they are such that the rate of intelligence accretion shall accelerate and proceed faster and faster until it reaches some intelligence limit that is unimaginable by human standards*.

    However, intelligence isn't everything. It has been observed that, through brain damage, some people have lost the ability to feel. As a result they are unable to make any decisions because apparently decision making is requires feeling.

    So as the prospective architects of a superior race, we would be responsible for designing the feelings that play an essential role in determining the decisions of this superior race. If we determine that these will be the same as those that we ourselves have inherited, then the machines would be more superhuman than not human.

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    Haha... can I be the first here to predict that the opposite will happen?

    The opposite not meaning that human will depart from technology, but that technology will move more toward the biological than the mechanical?

    Nature has made spider silk stronger than Kevlar, organisms that are theoretically immortal if no injury befalls them, and extremophiles that can live in pressure/heat/low energy tolerances as good or better than any of our own mechanics.
    Natural selection has given us marvelously efficient flight, computation, locomotion... and above all... fabrication and reproduction.

    As we learn more about genetics I don't think we will be replacing our eyes with mechanical ones, but rather with lab grown ones... that can see color in the detail of birds, UV spectrums like insects, and low light levels better than any nocturnal predator.

    I fully expect synthetic augmentation will for the most part be a relatively brief note in human history... but then again when we have completely rewritten our genetic code the line of what is truly human is even more blurred than the case of machines.

    Serious as a heart attack...

    ...and twice as deadly.

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    Biology may be ideal for some things, but machines are probably better for others. Is it reasonable to suppose that if we can reduce quantum computer bits to the size of atoms, as has been done for the first time recently, that the ideal mind would be composed of neurons that are comprised of billions of atoms?

    This isn't to exclude the possibility that biology has superior potential in some areas, but to say it would in all areas seems extremely unlikely. At best, cyborgs may be better than pure machines.

    Nature is impressive, but it is limited because it relies on small steps and is by nature minimalistic. As designers we have in some ways surpassed it already, and in some ways we have yet to catch up with it, but clearly by our nature we have far greater potential. We are faster, more ambitious, and capable of larger steps than nature is.

    "The day we stop exploring is the day we commit ourselves to live in a stagnant world, devoid of curiosity, empty of dreams."

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    Quote Quote by: Yarn View Post
    Nature is impressive, but it is limited because it relies on small steps and is by nature minimalistic. As designers we have in some ways surpassed it already, and in some ways we have yet to catch up with it, but clearly by our nature we have far greater potential. We are faster, more ambitious, and capable of larger steps than nature is.
    This is the very reason why I do not think we have even begun to reach biology's potential. Nothing before has been done with actual PURPOSE biologically. Humans didn't have need of adaptations that would have eventually given us night vision, or gills, or extreme regeneration... so we don't have them.
    Perhaps we can make synthetics that are marginally more effective... but unless they can self-fabricate they will never be cheaper. Maybe we could create a better eye... but why bother with such a sensitive and expensive piece of equipment when we can rewrite our genetic code to be able to regrow our own?
    I don't doubt that humans are far from their limits with what they can do with synthetics, but nothing we have come up with reaches what biology has done with one billionth of the energy investment... and what biology has done so far has only been random and unguided.

    Everything a human is comes from two sources: the genetic code and environmental factors. Look at all the diversity of life and you can see how powerful genetics are.
    Imagine if we were able to code in that language. Imagine if we could write our own lifeform. I can scarcely think of any synthetic approach that would match the potential of biology.

    Serious as a heart attack...

    ...and twice as deadly.

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    Perhaps we can make synthetics that are marginally more effective... but unless they can self-fabricate they will never be cheaper.
    Machines are mass produced cheaply all the time. That is why we have so many of them. In many parts of the world, we in fact have more of them than humans.

    Maybe we could create a better eye... but why bother with such a sensitive and expensive piece of equipment when we can rewrite our genetic code to be able to regrow our own?
    Mechanical implements superior to human eyes are already mass produced and cheap. Like mathematical computation, this is already an area where machines have a great advantage. All that is missing really is a direct camera mind interface.

    I don't doubt that humans are far from their limits with what they can do with synthetics, but nothing we have come up with reaches what biology has done with one billionth of the energy investment... and what biology has done so far has only been random and unguided.
    Sure. I am just highly doubtful of the idea that bulky neurons comprised of billions of atoms can defeat atomic-bit level computers. When it comes to the eye, per instance, maybe the best cheap eye would be biological. But so far the best eyes are all mechanical. It is unknown how much we could improve upon eagles and the like.

    Even with digital computers, the best computers today might be theoretically capable of intelligence greater than man's in any area. If the puzzle of AI is ever cracked, we may find ourselves surpassed overnight.

    Yes, biology has plenty of untapped potential, but to say it would be the best. or even the most economical, at everything stretches credulity.

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    Even with digital computers, the best computers today might be theoretically capable of intelligence greater than man's in any area.
    I'm going to torpedo this right now.

    Can a computer read a child's handwriting?

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    Quote Quote by: R.F. View Post
    I don't see anything particularly wrong with it...I just wonder if say 2,000 yrs [random number] from now we'll be more machine than man.. I'm not sure if I'm scared about this lol I guess it's just thought provoking.
    I would suspect that immortality in the truest sense will be derived not from mechanical augmentation but from genetic modification. This will happen within my lifetime. The public will be leery of outright replacement of man by machine. Hell, even I am. I'm a diabetic; I could get an insulin pump (which could be thought of as an external artificial pancreas), but I absolutely don't want one.

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    Quote Quote by: Angry Citizen View Post
    I'm going to torpedo this right now.

    Can a computer read a child's handwriting?
    With the right software it probably could. IBM made a computer named watson that can understand idiosyncratic language well enough to defeat the world's best jeapordy players. If as much effort were put into reading bad handwriting, it could probably be done with the same or poorer hardware specifications.

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    Quote Quote by: Angry Citizen View Post
    I would suspect that immortality in the truest sense will be derived not from mechanical augmentation but from genetic modification. This will happen within my lifetime. The public will be leery of outright replacement of man by machine. Hell, even I am. I'm a diabetic; I could get an insulin pump (which could be thought of as an external artificial pancreas), but I absolutely don't want one.
    Not everyone's sentiments are the same on such matters, but at anyrate, people don't need to be turned into machines in order to coexist with them. The first sentient machines will almost certainly not be originally human.

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    I'm going to torpedo this right now.

    Can a computer read a child's handwriting?
    Check out some of the note-taking apps available for tablets. Handwriting recognition is advancing quickly.



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