What are miracles?

[Steve Johnson]

You know evolutionists are so smug! Whether one takes the Christian Creation Story to be an allegory or factual, the point is that a supernatural force was at the helm. It is impossible to explain the phenomenon of existence by solely scientific means.

Lack of knowledge and eye-witness experience have convinced scientists that the laws of matter cannot be subdued. It is nigh on impossible to debate with people who have no experience. It is like debating with chidren. I hope that each of you can experience supernatural events so that you can open the doors to what is possible.

I would wager that most evolutionists consider Christ's miracles impossible and completely discount any possibility of a created universe.

I will leave you with a caveat: just because you have not experiienced a miracle does not mean its impossible for one to occur.
The compelling New testament accounts should at the very least stir up curiousity. If you seek, you will surely find.



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[Angry Citizen]

Whether one takes the Christian Creation Story to be an allegory or factual, the point is that a supernatural force was at the helm.

Prove it already then, dammit. I'm tired of waiting around. Prove these 'miracles' you speak of. I've never had a 'supernatural event', and you almost certainly haven't either.

The compelling New testament accounts

The ones written decades after Jesus' supposed death? Which reminds me.. where in the historical record do we find the existence of Jesus?

[Dodds]

Emm Steve, whats an Evolutionist?

Also what is smug about saying "there is evidence of this and no evidence of that"?

[Steve Johnson]

Talk about "finger on the trigger." It didn't take long to get a response.

Angry, if someone healed a blind man would you forget it decades later? The passage of time does not delete the miracle.

You should seriously research contemporary miraculous claims. I realised it is a mixture of truths, half truths and lies.

I did not let the latter deter me. I persevered and found that miracles do occur. I have been fortunate to witness a few.

Angry, try and follow Christ's guidelines: prayer, sincerity, reflection. You will find that whatever you ask for shall be granted. Yet who has time to profoundly search Christ's creed?

Dodds, an evolutionist is a proponent of evolution. If it isn't in the English dictionary, it should be. I'll make an application!

The smugness resides in the ignoring of thousands of modern-day testimonies just because you were not there.

[Dodds]

Dodds, an evolutionist is a proponent of evolution. If it isn't in the English dictionary, it should be. I'll make an application!

Oh you mean a biologist. Sorry this is science, making up words to try and discredit over 150 years of science is pretty lame. If you or anyone else could disprove the theory of evolution they would be multi multi millionaires.

The smugness resides in the ignoring of thousands of modern-day testimonies just because you were not there.

I was not there when Darwin was alive either, the difference is there is evidence of his existence. Just as there is evidence of evolution. Just as there is evidence of my existence.

Creation as described in the bible? Not a single shred of evidence.

Its not smug, its fact.

[Angry Citizen]

Talk about "finger on the trigger." It didn't take long to get a response.

It helps that volconvo sends me emails every time someone replies to a topic I'm subscribed to, and I receive instant alerts when I get emails... it's not like I just sit there and hit refresh every five seconds. Ain't technology (and science) grand?

Angry, if someone healed a blind man would you forget it decades later? The passage of time does not delete the miracle.

Nope, but a) healing blind men has only been seen as a result of scientific achievement, and b) has never been seen as a result of God's intervention. Where's the healed amputees?

You should seriously research contemporary miraculous claims. I realised it is a mixture of truths, half truths and lies.

I did not let the latter deter me. I persevered and found that miracles do occur. I have been fortunate to witness a few.

Just because someone's account is the truth doesn't mean it actually happened. Not, of course, that many of these people's tall tales are truths. I defy you to find me an account that is a) the truth, and b) really the truth, and not just someone's honest (yet inaccurate) observance.

Angry, try and follow Christ's guidelines: prayer, sincerity, reflection. You will find that whatever you ask for shall be granted. Yet who has time to profoundly search Christ's creed?

I'll pass on talking to an imaginary friend. Why would I bother? What does it have to offer me? I'm perfectly happy with my life. You may think us atheists are wallowing in the void of despair caused by God's absence, but you're wrong.

And what, pray tell, does any of this have to do with the fact and theory of evolution versus the obvious and proven falsity of creationism?

[Steve Johnson]

Metaphysical.

[Steve Johnson]

Dodds there is plenty of evidence of Creationism. Your problem is that you're coccooned within your life of science. Creative miracles occur all the time. You choose to ignore them. Who cares what you think? Who cares whether the miracles come up to your empirical standards? The point is people who were given no hope are being healed. All your negative utterances are useless. They've been healed. They are happy.

The loser here is you and your cronies. You have missed the fact that the laws of matter can be subdued.
I imbibe both science and miracles whereas you cannot see passed the scientific fence you have erected. Are you OK with being subservant to erections?.

I read the New Testament. I suspected that the accounts were true. I investigated and ascertained that miracles are possible and witnessed the phenomenon at first hand. I am not going to be bullied by you into believing that science is the only reality simply because your sphere of experience is limited.

Angry, there are healed blind men; there are also healed amputees. There is nothing impossible for God. You have not understood spiritual laws that are superior to the laws of matter so, alas, you will continue to swim in scientific waters.

[Dodds]

Dodds there is plenty of evidence of Creationism.

Show me one piece of it. Put up or shut up.

Your problem is that you're coccooned within your life of science. Creative miracles occur all the time.

I see a lot of assertions and no facts backing them up.

You choose to ignore them.

And you choose not to share them.

Who cares what you think? Who cares whether the miracles come up to your empirical standards? The point is people who were given no hope are being healed.

And this is evidence for creation how? Also prove it. Bet there is a scientific explanation.

All your negative utterances are useless. They've been healed. They are happy.

Where am I being negative? I am just asking you for proof of the millions of miracles that happen all the time.

The loser here is you and your cronies. You have missed the fact that the laws of matter can be subdued.
I imbibe both science and miracles whereas you cannot see passed the scientific fence you have erected. Are you OK with being subservant to erections?.

I have cronies? Also loldicks.

I read the New Testament. I suspected that the accounts were true. I investigated and ascertained that miracles are possible and witnessed the phenomenon at first hand. I am not going to be bullied by you into believing that science is the only reality simply because your sphere of experience is limited.

All I ask for is proof, evidence, even a clear hypothesis. Something other than a poor me rant.


Get back to me.

Also again, loldicks.

[Jack]

...there is plenty of evidence of Creationism

Evidence such as what?

...there are also healed amputees

Really, where? So you know personally of an amputee having their limb restored? Share, please.

[Steve Johnson]

Dodds you can start with the Christian television networks. Follow up the stories and sort out the wheat from the chaff. There's nothing wrong with searching for the truth. Investigate, meet the people in question.

I'd like to check on your mindset. Do you think the story of Jesus raising Lazarus is possible or impossible?

[Dodds]

Dodds you can start with the Christian television networks. Follow up the stories and sort out the wheat from the chaff. There's nothing wrong with searching for the truth. Investigate, meet the people in question.

I'd like to check on your mindset. Do you think the story of Jesus raising Lazarus is possible or impossible?

I see the evidence is not forthcoming.


Anyways, I would not be able to get the God Channel here without getting SKY. Something I would never do for political reasons.

I already knows yours, you will refuse to provide any evidence but will try and get me to say something is possible, its known as the wedge technique. But lets go for it.

It is impossible. Also if you can prove it.