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IWantToBelieve · Jan 23, 2004, 01:51 pm

Hi to all,

My first post, I thought that I'd ask your opinions of a subject that's close to my heart!

Trusted computing in a nutshell, is a combination of hardware/software that 'checks' the programs that you're attempting to run to ensure that they are DRM (Digital Rights Management) compliant (i.e no warez, mp3's or dodgy dvd's).

There's much more to this subject though, and if you look at the following links they'll give you a bit more info.

https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/home

http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html

Cheers,

IWTB

Samildanach · Feb 10, 2004, 07:17 am

Anything that checks on me or what Im running is a bad thing. The less checks that are run the better. My computer is a tool which I have bought and I would like to use how I want, if I choose to use it illegally its at my own risk as I know the penalties. Proactive management which is not in my control is definitely anathema to what I think computers are all about. Do you put GPS units on crowbars just incase they might be used to break into other peoples houses?
When (maybe I should say if

) I commit an offence let them prosecute me for that. Until the time that they can prove I have committed one I dont want them anywhere near me or my lovely machine.

Impenitent · Feb 10, 2004, 09:39 am

but it makes it easier to catch child porn offenders...

and then terrorists... and then whatever group...

nice slope...

TheColdTruth · Feb 12, 2004, 07:31 pm

LMAO. I will never buy a computer with "trusted computing". That's such bullshit. I can't imagine anyone else falling for that. That's the equivalent of saying "toilets in public restrooms should be equipped with cameras so we can catch anyone who tries to rape a child in the toilet stalls". Pure idiocy. The government is corrupt enough as is. Last thing we need is tools for them to monitor us EVEN MORE on our comptuers. And imposing their BS totalitarian laws on us to a more severe extent. Big brother is watching you. Look up and see what the carnivore program is. The FBI uses it and has been using it for some time to monitor EVERYTHING typed over instant messages through clients that allow them to do it (and one's that don't allow them to do it I would suspect).

Matthew Cromer · Feb 13, 2004, 08:52 pm

"Trusted Computing" -- Where you trust Bill Gates to know everything about you, every keystroke you type, every program you run.

No thanks!

Anarchist · Feb 16, 2004, 01:05 pm

http://againsttcpa.com

IWantToBelieve · Feb 23, 2004, 10:41 am

Four replies, and as I expected, not one agreeing with the concept!

So what makes the TCPA think that this will be accepted? Or will it be force-fed to us? The scary thing is, that even if a user wanted nothing to do with Windows, they wouldn't even be able to install Linux!

Why not just barcode us and have done with it?

**Pooeypants** · Feb 23, 2004, 10:51 am

If they wanted this to be done, it will be so, we're living in an Orwellian society and there's nothing you can do about it.

IWantToBelieve · Feb 23, 2004, 02:55 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
If they wanted this to be done, it will be so, we're living in an Orwellian society and there's nothing you can do about it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

No disresepect intended, but surely this sort of attitude is exactly why we're living in an Orwellian society? If we don't protest, then this sort of thing will become reality!

**Pooeypants** · Feb 23, 2004, 03:30 pm

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (IWantToBelieve,)
<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,)
If they wanted this to be done, it will be so, we're living in an Orwellian society and there's nothing you can do about it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
No disresepect intended, but surely this sort of attitude is exactly why we're living in an Orwellian society? If we don't protest, then this sort of thing will become reality!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>
Having read 1984, I've had an pessimistic outlook ever since. :rolleyes:

TheColdTruth · Feb 24, 2004, 11:31 am

<blockquote>Quote:<hr size="1" />Originally Posted by
No disresepect intended, but surely this sort of attitude is exactly why we're living in an Orwellian society? If we don't protest, then this sort of thing will become reality!<hr size="1" /></blockquote>

Protest? To stop that kind of thing it takes more than protest, considering 75% of people want guns taken away and cameras in every niche. Remember, when fighting evil, violence is an acceptable solution.

Impenitent · Feb 24, 2004, 11:33 am

no, not 75%... more like 10%...

remember, when fighting evil, bring a gun

TheColdTruth · Feb 24, 2004, 03:05 pm

heh. yeah. i forget that the majority is overall stupid, but not on every topic. :|

tman_ndsu08 · Feb 24, 2004, 05:15 pm

Why would they even bother with this crap anyway?

Oh yeah...most people on the internet are pathetic theives who steal music, movies, tv shows, and as much other intelectual property as they please and then claim it's the companies fault for pricing it too high (or some other BS).

To be honest, i can't imagine that this crap will be any harder to crack than the programs themselves.

Jan 23, 2004, 01:51 pm	#1 (permalink) (top)
IWantToBelieve Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	Hi to all, My first post, I thought that I'd ask your opinions of a subject that's close to my heart! Trusted computing in a nutshell, is a combination of hardware/software that 'checks' the programs that you're attempting to run to ensure that they are DRM (Digital Rights Management) compliant (i.e no warez, mp3's or dodgy dvd's). There's much more to this subject though, and if you look at the following links they'll give you a bit more info. https://www.trustedcomputinggroup.org/home http://www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html Cheers, IWTB Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

Feb 10, 2004, 07:17 am	#2 (permalink) (top)
Samildanach Pragmatist Location: UK London Posts: 1,979	Anything that checks on me or what Im running is a bad thing. The less checks that are run the better. My computer is a tool which I have bought and I would like to use how I want, if I choose to use it illegally its at my own risk as I know the penalties. Proactive management which is not in my control is definitely anathema to what I think computers are all about. Do you put GPS units on crowbars just incase they might be used to break into other peoples houses? When (maybe I should say if ) I commit an offence let them prosecute me for that. Until the time that they can prove I have committed one I dont want them anywhere near me or my lovely machine. I wouldn't recommend sex, drugs and insanity for everyone, but its always worked for me. Never think that war, no matter how necessary, nor how justified, is not a crime." (Ernest Hemingway)

Feb 10, 2004, 09:39 am	#3 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	but it makes it easier to catch child porn offenders... and then terrorists... and then whatever group... nice slope... "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 12, 2004, 07:31 pm	#4 (permalink) (top)
TheColdTruth Alive Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 100	LMAO. I will never buy a computer with "trusted computing". That's such bullshit. I can't imagine anyone else falling for that. That's the equivalent of saying "toilets in public restrooms should be equipped with cameras so we can catch anyone who tries to rape a child in the toilet stalls". Pure idiocy. The government is corrupt enough as is. Last thing we need is tools for them to monitor us EVEN MORE on our comptuers. And imposing their BS totalitarian laws on us to a more severe extent. Big brother is watching you. Look up and see what the carnivore program is. The FBI uses it and has been using it for some time to monitor EVERYTHING typed over instant messages through clients that allow them to do it (and one's that don't allow them to do it I would suspect). If it works, and it's stupid, it's not stupid.

Feb 23, 2004, 10:41 am	#7 (permalink) (top)
IWantToBelieve Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	Four replies, and as I expected, not one agreeing with the concept! So what makes the TCPA think that this will be accepted? Or will it be force-fed to us? The scary thing is, that even if a user wanted nothing to do with Windows, they wouldn't even be able to install Linux! Why not just barcode us and have done with it? Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

Feb 13, 2004, 08:52 pm	#5 (permalink) (top)
Matthew Cromer Sedimentary Rock Location: Raleigh, NC Posts: 10	"Trusted Computing" -- Where you trust Bill Gates to know everything about you, every keystroke you type, every program you run. No thanks!

Feb 16, 2004, 01:05 pm	#6 (permalink) (top)
Anarchist Your mom. Posts: 135	http://againsttcpa.com

Feb 23, 2004, 10:51 am	#8 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,602	If they wanted this to be done, it will be so, we're living in an Orwellian society and there's nothing you can do about it. War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 23, 2004, 02:55 pm	#9 (permalink) (top)
IWantToBelieve Sedimentary Rock Posts: 4	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) If they wanted this to be done, it will be so, we're living in an Orwellian society and there's nothing you can do about it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No disresepect intended, but surely this sort of attitude is exactly why we're living in an Orwellian society? If we don't protest, then this sort of thing will become reality! Your political compass Economic Left/Right: -6.63 Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -6.26

Feb 23, 2004, 03:30 pm	#10 (permalink) (top)
Pooeypants Neo Moderator Location: England Posts: 5,602	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (IWantToBelieve,) </span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by (Pooeypants,) If they wanted this to be done, it will be so, we're living in an Orwellian society and there's nothing you can do about it.<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> No disresepect intended, but surely this sort of attitude is exactly why we're living in an Orwellian society? If we don't protest, then this sort of thing will become reality!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Having read 1984, I've had an pessimistic outlook ever since. :rolleyes: War is Peace Freedom is Slavery Ignorance is strength Harness the power of Ingsoc, then you can capture someone killed the year before

Feb 24, 2004, 11:31 am	#11 (permalink) (top)
TheColdTruth Alive Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 100	</span><blockquote><span class="smallfont">Quote:</span><hr size="1" />Originally Posted by No disresepect intended, but surely this sort of attitude is exactly why we're living in an Orwellian society? If we don't protest, then this sort of thing will become reality!<hr size="1" /></blockquote><span class='postcolor'> Protest? To stop that kind of thing it takes more than protest, considering 75% of people want guns taken away and cameras in every niche. Remember, when fighting evil, violence is an acceptable solution. If it works, and it's stupid, it's not stupid.

Feb 24, 2004, 11:33 am	#12 (permalink) (top)
Impenitent Hot Lava Posts: 1,859	no, not 75%... more like 10%... remember, when fighting evil, bring a gun "I really like this jacket, but the sleeves are much too long..." insanity is doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results...

Feb 24, 2004, 03:05 pm	#13 (permalink) (top)
TheColdTruth Alive Location: Sandusky, Ohio Posts: 100	heh. yeah. i forget that the majority is overall stupid, but not on every topic. :\| If it works, and it's stupid, it's not stupid.

Feb 24, 2004, 05:15 pm	#14 (permalink) (top)
tman_ndsu08 BANNED Posts: 5,021	Why would they even bother with this crap anyway? Oh yeah...most people on the internet are pathetic theives who steal music, movies, tv shows, and as much other intelectual property as they please and then claim it's the companies fault for pricing it too high (or some other BS). To be honest, i can't imagine that this crap will be any harder to crack than the programs themselves.