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    A beginning

    Do you believe the universe had a beginning?


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    I don't know. That needs to be an option for your poll.

    Real shocker isn't it everyone? Of course, I don't mean to imply that I usually have all the answers, but it seems as though this is such a difficult response for the average person to give on this particular subject.

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    I didn't vote, but no.

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    when counting the percentage of scientists that believe in the theory of evolution pseudo-scientists are intentionally left out

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    I didn't like the poll choices, but chose the first one. It's pretty well-established that the universe did indeed have a beginning.

    But truth, Hajjaj was convinced, held many layers.

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    It's pretty well-established that the universe did indeed have a beginning.
    I wish I didn't have to keep swatting this down. The fact is, the beginning of the universe is unexplained, and general relativity doesn't say anything meaningful about the actual event. Personally, I vote no beginning, based solely on the law of conservation of energy. It is the one thing that I think can hold a grain of truth under any circumstances: the fact that energy can't just poof into existence.

    A man said to the universe:
    "Sir, I exist!"
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    I wish I didn't have to keep swatting this down. The fact is, the beginning of the universe is unexplained, and general relativity doesn't say anything meaningful about the actual event. Personally, I vote no beginning, based solely on the law of conservation of energy. It is the one thing that I think can hold a grain of truth under any circumstances: the fact that energy can't just poof into existence.
    Feeling petulant, are we? When did I mention General Relativity?

    The fact is, simply by mentioning the beginning of the universe, you are admitting that the universe had a beginning, which remains true even if we don't understand that beginning.

    The implication of the Big Bang is that the universe came into existence, and has not existed forever.

    But truth, Hajjaj was convinced, held many layers.

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    energy can't just poof into existence
    the universe had a beginning
    Actually you're both right.

    Energy can't just poof into existence...but the universe, being an object, can have a beginning and an end...the energy used to create it however can't.


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    The fact is, simply by mentioning the beginning of the universe, you are admitting that the universe had a beginning
    There's beginnings and then there's 'beginnings'. For all intents and purposes, our current state of existence came about as a direct result of the conditions at the Big Bang. Thus, our universe could be said to have begun at the Big Bang; but whether the universe began at the Big Bang is a complete mystery.

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    Can't vote. Don't know yet. What's the rush?

    Religion is poison because it asks us to give up our most precious faculty, which is that of reason, and to believe things without evidence. It then asks us to respect this, which it calls faith. - Christopher Hitchens

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    There's beginnings and then there's 'beginnings'. For all intents and purposes, our current state of existence came about as a direct result of the conditions at the Big Bang. Thus, our universe could be said to have begun at the Big Bang; but whether the universe began at the Big Bang is a complete mystery.
    Alright, there's nothing here I disagree with. Although "the universe" might be the multiverse or the quantum foam, or whatever the fuck.

    But truth, Hajjaj was convinced, held many layers.

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    The difficulty with this question is the definition of universe and beginning.

    The Universe as time space seems to have had a beginning, but what is beyond we don't know. Is that part of the universe?

    Second time is part of our universe. What does beginning mean without time?


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    Quote Quote by: Angry Citizen View Post
    I wish I didn't have to keep swatting this down. The fact is, the beginning of the universe is unexplained, and general relativity doesn't say anything meaningful about the actual event. Personally, I vote no beginning, based solely on the law of conservation of energy. It is the one thing that I think can hold a grain of truth under any circumstances: the fact that energy can't just poof into existence.
    I don't think that's what the big bang theory states. Nobody is saying energy poofed into existence, we're simply saying that space and time expanded out of a singularity. If time began at the moment of the big bang, then the universe does indeed have a beginning. Unless we find evidence that time existed before/outside of the big bang, we must assume that, at least with respect to our position from inside of the universe, time began when the big bang occurred.

    Glory is fleeting, but obscurity is forever.--Napoleon Bonaparte

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