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    Quote Quote by: Angry Citizen View Post
    Because it didn't. The Big Bang was not an 'explosion'.
    Ok, what was it?

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    And the basis for this suspicion is..?
    Like I said, the fact that the expansion of the universe appears to be accelerating, without any apparent reason.

    I upped my income, up yours.

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    I think the "big bang" killed the dinosaurs! (kidding)


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    Quote Quote by: Senor Hoint View Post
    Good question. I bet we could find out the answer with access to the observations. Nothing I've ever read has said anything on that question, though.
    I finally have an answer to this question. With the caveat that we currently don't have very sensitive equipment, and that this could change, the answer is that the derivative of the acceleration is a constant, not a variable. However, this does not necessarily rule out a universe whose acceleration rate is changing -- merely that it's not changing fast enough for current equipment to gauge.

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    I say Dark Matter and Dark Energy have already been discovered long ago. It's called Plasma. The fundamental state of all matter, which is highly electrically conductive. Plasma operates in 3 modes, Dark, Glow and Arc. Of course astrophysicists will tell you all space is neutrally charged, despite evidence to the contrary. This is because all data is interpreted only to the current gravity centric model, magnetism and fluid dynamics. The electromagnetic force is 10 to the 36th power stronger than gravity, yet in astrophysics has no effects. This is because astrophysicists take no courses in plasma science, even though the science has been around for decades. Plasma makes up almost the entire universe.

    "In our solar system, the planet Jupiter accounts for most of the non-plasma, only about 0.1% of the mass and 10−15% of the volume within the orbit of Pluto." (Wiki)


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    Quote Quote by: sjw40364 View Post
    The electromagnetic force is 10 to the 36th power stronger than gravity, yet in astrophysics has no effects.
    Oh FFS are you serious? From Fundamental interaction - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Even though electromagnetism is far stronger than gravitation, electrostatic attraction is not relevant for large celestial bodies, such as planets, stars, and galaxies, simply because such bodies contain equal numbers of protons and electrons and so have a net electric charge of zero. Nothing "cancels" gravity, since it is only attractive, unlike electric forces which can be attractive or repulsive. On the other hand, all objects having mass are subject to the gravitational force, which only attracts. Therefore, only gravitation matters on the large scale structure of the universe.
    The long range of gravitation makes it responsible for such large-scale phenomena as the structure of galaxies, black holes, and the expansion of the universe. Gravitation also explains astronomical phenomena on more modest scales, such as planetary orbits, as well as everyday experience: objects fall; heavy objects act as if they were glued to the ground; and animals can jump only so high

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    Really? Take a metal ball and place it on a table. A child with a magnet can pick it up despite the fact that the entire gravitational force of the earth is pulling down upon it. And you want me to believe that gravity is what holds the galaxy together? This is why you require all these fairy dust entities to exist, because you ignore the fact that plasma makes up 99% of the universe and that plasma under charge produces every observable phenomena we have observed in space and we have produced these same results in laboratories here on Earth for over 100 years. Gravity drops as the inverse square, yet the electromagnetic force that hold atoms together drops off by the inverse power.

    http://www.nps.edu/faculty/olsen/Act...e_Vehicles.pdf
    Is it Appropriate to Speak of Electric Currents in Space?

    Wake up, this is the space age. We have discovered plasma now, its okto drop the archaic ideas of the past.


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    Quote Quote by: sjw40364 View Post
    Gravity drops as the inverse square, yet the electromagnetic force that hold atoms together drops off by the inverse power.
    The force of gravity drops by 1/Rsquared just like electromagnetism. BTW the force that holds atoms together is the Strong Nuclear force not electromagnetism. How can we take you seriously when you spout errors like this?

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    The atom is a basic unit of matter that consists of a dense, central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. The atomic nucleus contains a mix of positively charged protons and electrically neutral neutrons (except in the case of hydrogen-1, which is the only stable nuclide with no neutrons). The electrons of an atom are bound to the nucleus by the electromagnetic force.

    How can I believe you when you misstate my claim to make yours??? But the electromagnetic force is 10 to the 36th power stronger than gravity, therefore its effects are much greater.


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    Quote Quote by: sjw40364 View Post
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    Atom - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    The atom is a basic unit of matter that consists of a dense, central nucleus surrounded by a cloud of negatively charged electrons. The atomic nucleus contains a mix of positively charged protons and electrically neutral neutrons (except in the case of hydrogen-1, which is the only stable nuclide with no neutrons). The electrons of an atom are bound to the nucleus by the electromagnetic force.

    How can I believe you when you misstate my claim to make yours??? But the electromagnetic force is 10 to the 36th power stronger than gravity, therefore its effects are much greater.
    What holds the positively charged protons of the nucleus together? Hint - it's a stronger force than electromagnetism.

    You're right about the electrons though. It is electromagnetism that keeps then attached to the nucleus.

    It's very fortunate for us that matter is composed of positive and negative particles or it would take more energy than the sun contains to keep a Moon of negative articles from being pulled into an Earth of postive particles. Thankfully gravity dominates the structure and movement of our solar system.

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    Quote Quote by: sjw40364 View Post
    I say Dark Matter and Dark Energy have already been discovered long ago. It's called Plasma.
    It's very odd that they would be the same thing because Dark Matter is attractive and Dark Energy is repulsive. How do you get plasma to do both at the same time??

    Also, dark matter has been verified by gravitational lensing. How does electromagnetism bend light??

    In short your electromagnetism/plasma theory is full of gaping holes which is why the mainstream scientific community ignores it.

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    At least it doesn't require imaginary neutron stars, black holes, dark matter, dark energy, strange matter and the list goes on and on.
    Why don't you just do a little research on plasma, you might find some answers. Of course plasma makes up 99% of the universe, so ignoring it explains why astrophysicists are wrong 99% of the time and constantly surprised every time new data comes in. The thing about plasma is that as soon as you supply an electric current it emits synchrotron radiation, x-rays, magnetic fields and causes things to rotate, depending on the EM field strength. Which explains the flat rotation of galaxies without the need for DM. You fantasize DM and then need DE to counteract the DM. You still have no valid explanation for the Sun's corona, or the solar wind, which in a fusion model has no reason to exist. It fails to explain the lack of neutrino count, or the fact that the solar wind is composed of electrons that are accelerating as they exit the sun and continue doing so as far as we have detected them. How does gravity manage to accelerate particles? Accelerating particles, sorta like a particle accelerator huh? The funny thing is that a paradigm in its infancy has a better prediction rate than one supposedly that is correct and has been around for almost 100 years. It;s ignored because if they admit to its correctness the BBT fails and there goes funding for such projects as LIGO which to date has found nothing, except a way to sucker you out of your tax dollars.


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