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Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 01:29 pm

After a little discussion and my understanding with how this forum works I will try to get my story straight. Evolution does not speak to people it speaks to robots and machines. There is no personality about it, it is dry. It is very hard to swallow, but people believe it because the facts make sense. So we are forced to think that our existence is very impersonal and we are trying to survive here in this random event, may the best man win, or we hate it when people die, let us try to stop that from happening. To limit yourself to just this is to live a very unsatisfied life, so you say people try to achieve a euphoria to enjoy life here, religion may be a byproduct of that.

Creationism talks to a personal world, It believes in a God that created everything for mankind. And men are created in God's image so we know He knows us very well. He provided a mate for us as a help-meet and because it is not good for the man to be alone. We are to take care of this world and to maintain it. We were born with a sin nature and we need to seek God to be cleansed of it and it will be better for us if we are healed from our unrighteousness. We live but not alone, and we strive for love, peace, and happiness and it will glorify God.

Two different worlds entirely, two different thought process. The belief in Creationism is self-sufficient, it has the ingredients to live in this world and do what we have to do without any real doubts. God is taking care of us and we trust in Him. Evolution is empty and cold, hatred and anger exist more, jealousy and resentment, people demand that we live in only one world and the existence of multiple cultures should be destroyed because it is not real and they lie to you.. the impersonal belief brings out the worst in us and we really should not be here right now, we should have died off a long time ago.

There is mercy in Creationism, there is no mercy in Evolution. The Bible was the angel to this world and it helped save a dying world. We need Creationism to survive, mate, and have euphoria.. this world is dangerous alone and impersonal. Creationism will win in the end, not because of proof but because it is best for the people.

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 01:31 pm

Creationism will win in the end not out of proof but because it is best for the people. The Bible was the angel to a dying world and we cannot live without it. People need a personal world. To make it impersonal is the death of us all.

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 01:40 pm

I had 2 thing that were good and lengthy but I am experience some loading problems.. :(

Creationism will win in the end because it is better for the people. If you think the world is living in a fairy tale, then oh well, you have to adapt for your own survival. Evolution is impersonal and empty. Creation is personal and satisfying. The Bible was the angel to this world and will sustain us and keep us alive and happy. It was made because God knows we cannot live without Him, as hard as we try, we will never win.

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 01:43 pm

I hate this site.. it won't let me post. Creationism will win because it is best for the people. Evolution is empty and impersonal and Creationism is personal and satisfying. If you think the world is living in a fairy tale, then you have to adapt for your own survival. The Bible was the angel to this world and will keep us happy and fufilled. It was made because God knows we cannot live without Him, no matter how hard we try to erase Him. We will just end up needing Him more. The Bible has advanced the world and we will decline without it.

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 01:44 pm

lol..oops.

**Jack** · Jul 5, 2008, 01:56 pm

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Creationism talks to a personal world, It believes in a God that created everything for mankind.

Yet without any more reason than faith to accept it, some of us prefer not to tell ourselves fantastical stories just to make us feel better about our lot.

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The belief in Creationism is self-sufficient, it has the ingredients to live in this world and do what we have to do without any real doubts.

That can't be entirely true or else why are there non-believers? Creationism creates a lot of doubt to a skeptical mind.

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Evolution is empty and cold, hatred and anger exist more, jealousy and resentment, people demand that we live in only one world and the existence of multiple cultures should be destroyed because it is not real and they lie to you.. the impersonal belief brings out the worst in us and we really should not be here right now, we should have died off a long time ago.

Theology encourages this sort of thinking but provides no rational reason to suppose it's accurate. An impersonal, un-personified reality is ultimately fair. It doesn't make your life subject to the whims and demands of some deity. It doesn't permit a person to blame their own defects in personality or character on the gods or devils. It makes reality a matter of genetics and physics, it makes your character your responsibility.

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There is mercy in Creationism, there is no mercy in Evolution.

Mercy is a theistic concept. Of course a natural process doesn't show signs of a theological idea. I could easily posit that there is no mercy in creationism, either, since the story is a parable meant to teach us we're all wicked and deserve to go to hell.

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We need Creationism to survive, mate, and have euphoria.

Odd then that so many of us don't, and are doing just fine without that myth in our lives.

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this world is dangerous alone and impersonal

And in over 2000 years your mythology hasn't been able to change that aspect of human nature.

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Creationism will win in the end, not because of proof but because it is best for the people.

Lying to ourselves just to make us feel better about a reality we can't wrap our human minds around isn't necessarily "best for the people". Is there any reason to think that's the case? How about other creation myths? They make their believers feel good, too.

ThoughtCriminal · Jul 5, 2008, 02:03 pm

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Quote by: Brian

After a little discussion and my understanding with how this forum works I will try to get my story straight. Evolution does not speak to people it speaks to robots and machines. There is no personality about it, it is dry. It is very hard to swallow, but people believe it because the facts make sense. So we are forced to think that our existence is very impersonal and we are trying to survive here in this random event, may the best man win, or we hate it when people die, let us try to stop that from happening. To limit yourself to just this is to live a very unsatisfied life, so you say people try to achieve a euphoria to enjoy life here, religion may be a byproduct of that.

Creationism talks to a personal world, It believes in a God that created everything for mankind. And men are created in God's image so we know He knows us very well. He provided a mate for us as a help-meet and because it is not good for the man to be alone. We are to take care of this world and to maintain it. We were born with a sin nature and we need to seek God to be cleansed of it and it will be better for us if we are healed from our unrighteousness. We live but not alone, and we strive for love, peace, and happiness and it will glorify God.

Two different worlds entirely, two different thought process. The belief in Creationism is self-sufficient, it has the ingredients to live in this world and do what we have to do without any real doubts. God is taking care of us and we trust in Him. Evolution is empty and cold, hatred and anger exist more, jealousy and resentment, people demand that we live in only one world and the existence of multiple cultures should be destroyed because it is not real and they lie to you.. the impersonal belief brings out the worst in us and we really should not be here right now, we should have died off a long time ago.

There is mercy in Creationism, there is no mercy in Evolution. The Bible was the angel to this world and it helped save a dying world. We need Creationism to survive, mate, and have euphoria.. this world is dangerous alone and impersonal. Creationism will win in the end, not because of proof but because it is best for the people.

Evolution does not endorse a dog-eat-dog morality. In fact, it has no direct moral component. Just because nature works some way doesn't mean we ought to. Nature is cruel but we can, and should, be kind.

As for the two views, it really doesn't matter which one you think is more pleasant, because only one of them is supported by the evidence, and you can bet it's not the religious one.

I am compelled by rationality to believe what the evidence shows to be true, so I cannot be a creationist. The fact that you are one proves that you do not care about the truth, and that makes it impossible for me to respect you.

TC

ThoughtCriminal · Jul 5, 2008, 02:05 pm

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Quote by: Brian

I hate this site.. it won't let me post. Creationism will win because it is best for the people. Evolution is empty and impersonal and Creationism is personal and satisfying. If you think the world is living in a fairy tale, then you have to adapt for your own survival. The Bible was the angel to this world and will keep us happy and fufilled. It was made because God knows we cannot live without Him, no matter how hard we try to erase Him. We will just end up needing Him more. The Bible has advanced the world and we will decline without it.

The people are best served by the truth, not your religious lies.

TC

ShadowFox · Jul 5, 2008, 02:26 pm

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I hate this site.. it won't let me post. Creationism will win because it is best for the people. Evolution is empty and impersonal and Creationism is personal and satisfying. If you think the world is living in a fairy tale, then you have to adapt for your own survival. The Bible was the angel to this world and will keep us happy and fufilled. It was made because God knows we cannot live without Him, no matter how hard we try to erase Him. We will just end up needing Him more. The Bible has advanced the world and we will decline without it.

The bible is not required. It may provide comfort and give people reason to live for something, which can be good. Yet, it will not win over evolution because it is "better for the people" as you claim. What's better for the people is to research what actually occurred, to find the answers, not to accept what men who lived 2000 said involving concepts they had little, if any, understanding of. Also, if you look at history, one will see that religion has actually ended up stunting advancement. When people said the world was round or that the sun was at the center, they would be charged with blasphemy. If anyone said something that didn't agree with what the bible said, even if today we know it to be true, they could of been be put to death. Without these religious interventions, who know how far we would be today had those ideas been accepted then and not in the past 300 years or so.

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 02:29 pm

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Evolution does not endorse a dog-eat-dog morality. In fact, it has no direct moral component. Just because nature works some way doesn't mean we ought to. Nature is cruel but we can, and should, be kind.

As for the two views, it really doesn't matter which one you think is more pleasant, because only one of them is supported by the evidence, and you can bet it's not the religious one.

I am compelled by rationality to believe what the evidence shows to be true, so I cannot be a creationist. The fact that you are one proves that you do not care about the truth, and that makes it impossible for me to respect you.

TC

Very well.. then live without me and live without half of the world and we will see who wins.. sorry we can't bend to everyone.

ThoughtCriminal · Jul 5, 2008, 02:32 pm

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Very well.. then live without me and live without half of the world and we will see who wins.. sorry we can't bend to everyone.

I have the truth on my side, you have a lie that you find beautiful. You have already lost.

TC

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 02:34 pm

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The bible is not required. It may provide comfort and give people reason to live for something, which can be good. Yet, it will not win over evolution because it is "better for the people" as you claim. What's better for the people is to research what actually occurred, to find the answers, not to accept what men who lived 2000 said involving concepts they had little, if any, understanding of. Also, if you look at history, one will see that religion has actually ended up stunting advancement. When people said the world was round or that the sun was at the center, they would be charged with blasphemy. If anyone said something that didn't agree with what the bible said, even if today we know it to be true, they could of been be put to death. Without these religious interventions, who know how far we would be today had those ideas been accepted then and not in the past 300 years or so.

Your wrong and you are in the minority. There is philosophy and songs that say to move on about the past and live your life in the future. Think ahead.. you can't go through life looking in the rear view mirror.. You live in a dream world. Sometimes it is better to fear we may die if we jump off a cliff then saying who needs fear let us all jump off a cliff. I do not know where it is you are trying to get to.. you need to survive and you are in the minority does that mean fight for your views or adapt to the culture?

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 02:35 pm

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I have the truth on my side, you have a lie that you find beautiful. You have already lost.

TC

Then why I am I free and your not?

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 02:36 pm

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The people are best served by the truth, not your religious lies.

TC

No one will ever listen to you.. try being more flexible it will help you.

ShadowFox · Jul 5, 2008, 02:38 pm

Both of you stop bickering over "who will win", Since it will just be repetitive since neither of you will give any ground. Debate, don't bicker.

ThoughtCriminal · Jul 5, 2008, 02:41 pm

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No one will ever listen to you.. try being more flexible it will help you.

No, anyone who cares about the truth will isten to me. You want to live a lie because you think you can't handle the truth.

TC

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 02:41 pm

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Both of you stop bickering over "who will win", Since it will just be repetitive since neither of you will give any ground. Debate, don't bicker.

Yeah what he says.. but I agree to disagree.. the topic does say Creationism vs. Evolution.. that is a match.. and with every match there is a winner and loser, so it does relate.

Brian · Jul 5, 2008, 02:43 pm

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No, anyone who cares about the truth will isten to me. You want to live a lie because you think you can't handle the truth.

TC

Who is the one crying? Not me.. I am waiting to hear why your view is better.

ThoughtCriminal · Jul 5, 2008, 02:43 pm

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Quote by: Halofan48

Both of you stop bickering over "who will win", Since it will just be repetitive since neither of you will give any ground. Debate, don't bicker.

Actually, that's not correct. Brian, by refusing to even try to support his view, has conceded that it is false.

TC

ThoughtCriminal · Jul 5, 2008, 02:43 pm

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Who is the one crying? Not me.. I am waiting to hear why your view is better.

1) I'm not crying.

2) The truth is better.

TC

Jul 5, 2008, 02:38 pm	#2455 (permalink) (top)
ShadowFox formerly Halofan48 Location: Southern California Posts: 1,590	Both of you stop bickering over "who will win", Since it will just be repetitive since neither of you will give any ground. Debate, don't bicker. Knowledge is power, use it well. Don't fear the unknown, seek to understand it Formerly Halofan48 Fun game!!!

Jul 5, 2008, 01:29 pm	#2441 (permalink) (top)
Brian Igneous Magma Posts: 219	After a little discussion and my understanding with how this forum works I will try to get my story straight. Evolution does not speak to people it speaks to robots and machines. There is no personality about it, it is dry. It is very hard to swallow, but people believe it because the facts make sense. So we are forced to think that our existence is very impersonal and we are trying to survive here in this random event, may the best man win, or we hate it when people die, let us try to stop that from happening. To limit yourself to just this is to live a very unsatisfied life, so you say people try to achieve a euphoria to enjoy life here, religion may be a byproduct of that. Creationism talks to a personal world, It believes in a God that created everything for mankind. And men are created in God's image so we know He knows us very well. He provided a mate for us as a help-meet and because it is not good for the man to be alone. We are to take care of this world and to maintain it. We were born with a sin nature and we need to seek God to be cleansed of it and it will be better for us if we are healed from our unrighteousness. We live but not alone, and we strive for love, peace, and happiness and it will glorify God. Two different worlds entirely, two different thought process. The belief in Creationism is self-sufficient, it has the ingredients to live in this world and do what we have to do without any real doubts. God is taking care of us and we trust in Him. Evolution is empty and cold, hatred and anger exist more, jealousy and resentment, people demand that we live in only one world and the existence of multiple cultures should be destroyed because it is not real and they lie to you.. the impersonal belief brings out the worst in us and we really should not be here right now, we should have died off a long time ago. There is mercy in Creationism, there is no mercy in Evolution. The Bible was the angel to this world and it helped save a dying world. We need Creationism to survive, mate, and have euphoria.. this world is dangerous alone and impersonal. Creationism will win in the end, not because of proof but because it is best for the people.

Jul 5, 2008, 01:31 pm	#2442 (permalink) (top)
Brian Igneous Magma Posts: 219	Creationism will win in the end not out of proof but because it is best for the people. The Bible was the angel to a dying world and we cannot live without it. People need a personal world. To make it impersonal is the death of us all.

Jul 5, 2008, 01:40 pm	#2443 (permalink) (top)
Brian Igneous Magma Posts: 219	I had 2 thing that were good and lengthy but I am experience some loading problems.. :( Creationism will win in the end because it is better for the people. If you think the world is living in a fairy tale, then oh well, you have to adapt for your own survival. Evolution is impersonal and empty. Creation is personal and satisfying. The Bible was the angel to this world and will sustain us and keep us alive and happy. It was made because God knows we cannot live without Him, as hard as we try, we will never win.

Jul 5, 2008, 01:43 pm	#2444 (permalink) (top)
Brian Igneous Magma Posts: 219	I hate this site.. it won't let me post. Creationism will win because it is best for the people. Evolution is empty and impersonal and Creationism is personal and satisfying. If you think the world is living in a fairy tale, then you have to adapt for your own survival. The Bible was the angel to this world and will keep us happy and fufilled. It was made because God knows we cannot live without Him, no matter how hard we try to erase Him. We will just end up needing Him more. The Bible has advanced the world and we will decline without it.

Jul 5, 2008, 01:44 pm	#2445 (permalink) (top)
Brian Igneous Magma Posts: 219	lol..oops.