Creationism vs. Evolution

[Will_00]

and where is your evidence for the bible? Oh yeah thats right, you try to support what the bible says by saying "it's the bible!!!!!!" which isn't even evidence.

Again, I will state that the Truth is found through Belief, Miracles, Truth, The Holy Spirit, etc.

[Tycoon]

Again, I will state that the Truth is found through Belief, Miracles, Truth, The Holy Spirit, etc.

WRONG!! It is the belief in the truth of belief, miracles, and the holy spirit! It isn't belief, miracles and the holy spirit that make it true!

Yet, your evidence is again imperfect.

Evidence that the world wasn't created in six days is imperfect?

[Matt W]

Quote by: Will_00 Again, I will state that the Truth is found through Belief, Miracles, Truth, The Holy Spirit, etc.

This is a debate board. Try providing sources and evidence. If you want to preach, do it elsewhere.

[Halofan48]

How many times do we have to say it? Maybe FOR YOU, but in debate, you cannot use that as an argument. Understand? If you cannot offer anything else, please, do not debate. For arguments like that are simply pathetic and contribute nothing. Thank you.

[Century 25]

Quote by: Will_00 Again, I will state that the Truth is found through Belief, Miracles, Truth, The Holy Spirit, etc.

Belief in what? And what 'miricales' --? The only "miracle" I can say I believe in is that there is no limits to ignorance among the populace of the earth. That, indeed, is a miracle.

Btw, Will, how old do you believe the age of the earth is..? Just roughly.

Now I'll be off.. "spirited" into the ether.. net Spirits, goblins and ghosts and ghouls, Oh my!


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[gallo]

Quote by: Will_00 It is not at all "mythology." Not even close. It is Truth - despite what you say.

Actually, even Biblical scholars recognize that much of the Bible is mythology, or moral stories meant to teach a lesson. The Jewish people have always known that the stories of Jonah and Job are just stories, not history.

Yet your standard for "truth" is not even remotely close to the absolute Truth or evidence.

I wasn't talking about truth, just what is true. Science doesn't deal with truth.

Nope. That is too bad.

Good answer! Deny making silly assertions with a silly assertion. Of course, what else can you do but make silly assertions when you are asked for evidence?

Why would he "falsify" it? The Truth has already been stated - so your wrong.

So my wrong? What about my wrong? What wrong was that? Moreover, what truth is it that has already been stated?

By the way, that was kind of my point. Why would your little god lie by fabricating the evidence that perfectly imitates what the fossil record would look like if evolution and common descent were true? Why would he place the evidence to lead people astray and then punish them forever if they follow that evidence? To believe that would mean that god is even more petty, cruel, and vindictive than the christians tell us he is. Besides, from a realistic point, why should we invent a magical being for which there is no evidence when naturalistic explanations are quite sufficient to explain nature.

It is not at all fake! Despite your continual use of "truth" and "evidence" I have found no relation to the absolute existance of Belief.

I didn't mention truth. You did. You claimed to know it even though you can't even tell us why or what it is. I did mention evidence since I don't see any reason why I should believe you or anyone else about a book that is quite plainly mythology. There is no such thing as absolute belief.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: will_00 It is not at all fake! Despite your continual use of "truth" and "evidence" I have found no relation to the absolute existance of Belief.

The problem is, though it may be the truth, you fail to convince us that it is, one of your duties as a Christian.

Show us this Truth. Show us what you're thinking.

[gallo]

Quote by: Winter wind Show us this Truth. Show us what you're thinking.

He can't. All he can do is to continue asserting that what he believes is correct and that the evidence that it is correct is the fact that he believes it. But that's circular reasoning, you'll say. Well, when you deal with creationists you have to get used to it. You'll also hear them tell you that they know that the Bible is the word of god because the Bible says that it is the word of god. Or they'll tell you that miracles are unexplained events and since they can't explain some event, it must be a miracle. Sadly, Will is not unique.

[tommy5x]

It's what you hear with literal creationists. We are still sixth day I reckon, if Creationism is correct.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: gela All he can do is to continue asserting that what he believes is correct and that the evidence that it is correct is the fact that he believes it. But that's circular reasoning, you'll say. Well, when you deal with creationists you have to get used to it. You'll also hear them tell you that they know that the Bible is the word of god because the Bible says that it is the word of god. Or they'll tell you that miracles are unexplained events and since they can't explain some event, it must be a miracle. Sadly, Will is not unique.

Time to break the cycle. A simple, one line argument that can't be ignored. I just need the argument to exist first.

Quote by: tommy5x It's what you hear with literal creationists. We are still sixth day I reckon, if Creationism is correct.

Probably the seventh day since people say God can't exist because he's not proving his existence. That should be my argument, he's resting. hahahaha. (my humor is an acquired taste.)

[gallo]

Quote by: Winter wind Time to break the cycle. A simple, one line argument that can't be ignored. I just need the argument to exist first.

OK, but...I would just like to point out that you quoted me and attributed it to gela. I am not gela and gela is not me. I'm not even sure how gela would feel about being credited with (or blamed for, as the case may be) my statements. I think it is quite likely that gela and I are different in gender.

Probably the seventh day since people say God can't exist because he's not proving his existence. That should be my argument, he's resting. hahahaha. (my humor is an acquired taste.)

Ah! I think you're right. Except for the fact that the Deists rejected the whole 6 days mythology, they did believe that the deity created the universe and then withdrew, taking little further interest in the universe. That's a bit like resting on the 7th day, isn't it?

[Will_00]

WRONG!! It is the belief in the truth of belief, miracles, and the holy spirit! It isn't belief, miracles and the holy spirit that make it true!

That is simply too bad.

How many times do we have to say it? Maybe FOR YOU, but in debate, you cannot use that as an argument. Understand? If you cannot offer anything else, please, do not debate. For arguments like that are simply pathetic and contribute nothing. Thank you.

That is too bad. Sorry. It contributes infinitely - although you may not believe it, that is simply too bad.

Actually, even Biblical scholars recognize that much of the Bible is mythology, or moral stories meant to teach a lesson. The Jewish people have always known that the stories of Jonah and Job are just stories, not history.

First of all, mythology is demonic. It does, though, include "lessons" to assist in making a point. Jews and Christians are completely different.

I wasn't talking about truth, just what is true. Science doesn't deal with truth.

But your "evidence" and statements aren't true.

Good answer! Deny making silly assertions with a silly assertion. Of course, what else can you do but make silly assertions when you are asked for evidence?

There is no need for your fake "evidence."

So my wrong? What about my wrong? What wrong was that? Moreover, what truth is it that has already been stated? By the way, that was kind of my point. Why would your little god lie by fabricating the evidence that perfectly imitates what the fossil record would look like if evolution and common descent were true? Why would he place the evidence to lead people astray and then punish them forever if they follow that evidence? To believe that would mean that god is even more petty, cruel, and vindictive than the christians tell us he is. Besides, from a realistic point, why should we invent a magical being for which there is no evidence when naturalistic explanations are quite sufficient to explain nature.

Again, you are completely off. Despite your continual belief that my evidence is nothing in comparative alignment to science, there is no need. God IS INFINITELY GREATER.

I didn't mention truth. You did. You claimed to know it even though you can't even tell us why or what it is. I did mention evidence since I don't see any reason why I should believe you or anyone else about a book that is quite plainly mythology. There is no such thing as absolute belief.

Of course there is such thing as Absolute Belief. We can not understand God though.

The problem is, though it may be the truth, you fail to convince us that it is, one of your duties as a Christian. Show us this Truth. Show us what you're thinking.

You cannot understand God. As well, your "evidence" is not even remotely close to the Truth.

Evidence that the world wasn't created in six days is imperfect?

OF COURSE!!! It is human false thought.

[Jack]

That is too bad. Sorry. It contributes infinitely - although you may not believe it, that is simply too bad.

No, it's not "too bad", it's a forum rule. Debate, otherwise you're interrupting the thread.

[Will_00]

No, it's not "too bad", it's a forum rule. Debate, otherwise you're interrupting the thread.

I am debating. I have an Infinite Level of Truth with "Evidence."

[Jack]

You support nothing you present, which makes it preaching and not debate. Present more than just your repetitious statements. Debate with substance.

[Will_00]

You support nothing you present, which makes it preaching and not debate. Present more than just your repetitious statements. Debate with substance.

Again, what do you want me to say?

[Halofan48]

We want you to actually provide evidence instead of just preaching. If you cannot or refuse to, please leave this thread.

[Tycoon]

Again, what do you want me to say?

You cannot simply continue to say that the bible is an absolute truth despite all the contradictions and evidence against its truth that we have brought to your attention and that you have not been able to debate against. This is a debate forum, not a chapel. You cannot debate by saying we are wrong simply because we contradict the bible, because we are saying that the bible is false, despite how much you might think that it is true.

[Matt W]

Quote by: Will_00 Again, what do you want me to say?

Evidence that is not directly tied into your world-view and hugely subjective would be a start. This is a debate board, as you have been informed several times over. If you are unwilling to debate, then you will receive infractions for disrupting threads.

[Winter wind]

Quote by: Will_00 You cannot understand God. As well, your "evidence" is not even remotely close to the Truth.

Yet you claim to. You just say XXX is the Truth, while at the same time saying we can't comprehend this Truth. How do you know what is True? Why don't we know?

Again, what do you want me to say?

Tell us what page we should open our Bibles to in order to learn your Truth.