Register (it's free)
Volconvo Debate Forums
Advertise Here »
Browse ad-free by donating
The Debate Forums Blogs | Donate Register (it's free) Chatroom Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read  
  Volconvo / Debate Forums / Science & Technology


This topic in Science & Technology is about What is the possible time frame for a colony on the moon? What should it be used for?.

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old Dec 28, 2009, 12:36 am   #1 (permalink)
Toastmaster
Sedimentary Rock
 
Toastmaster's Avatar
 
Location: North Salt Lake, Utah
Posts: 22
What is the possible time frame for a colony on the moon? What should it be used for?

We all know about the plan to go back to the moon but after that then what? How long do you think we will stagnate and hold back until we actually start placing people on that reflective satellite? And then what will they be up there for? Research? Mining? Corporations? Technological development?


"There is no good or evil... only bad or worse."

What is life but a series of chemical reactions?
Toastmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2009, 12:50 am   #2 (permalink)
yukonmuffin
Quality > Quantity
 
yukonmuffin's Avatar
 
Location: North of 60°
Posts: 1,067
Blog Entries: 2
Launch site for mars, and who knows? maybe we can colonize it.


Breakn' Stuff to Look tough.
yukonmuffin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2009, 01:02 am   #3 (permalink)
Toastmaster
Sedimentary Rock
 
Toastmaster's Avatar
 
Location: North Salt Lake, Utah
Posts: 22
True. I moon will obviously be the launch site for any intra-solar missions and possibly inter-solar missions. But I'm pretty sure that it will be a major mining area for the resources it holds (especially for He-3 which can be used for energy) before it becomes that


"There is no good or evil... only bad or worse."

What is life but a series of chemical reactions?
Toastmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2009, 01:19 am   #4 (permalink)
Diogenes
amgaM suoengI
 
Diogenes's Avatar
 
Posts: 2,956
I doubt the moon will ever be used in the near future for habitation or as a space pop off...

more than likely we'll build bigger and better space stations.

Possibly another one orbiting Mars.

It's simply easier and more efficient...because you don't have to land and take off...you just dock. Easier to build and easier to supply.

I think the most probable approach would be to build a space station in each planetary orbit...this way we can re-supply, re-fuel, etc without ever having to land and take off.

And we can skip our way along from one station to the next.

Eventually we may build stations on planets...but I don't see it as a viable solution at this point.
Diogenes is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2009, 01:30 am   #5 (permalink)
Toastmaster
Sedimentary Rock
 
Toastmaster's Avatar
 
Location: North Salt Lake, Utah
Posts: 22
Then resources it is then. The moon will definitely be used as a resource base. The He-3 it contains is invaluable. And the many minerals composing it could be used for manufacturing materials.


"There is no good or evil... only bad or worse."

What is life but a series of chemical reactions?
Toastmaster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2009, 03:27 pm   #6 (permalink)
kancer kid
Still Alive
 
kancer kid's Avatar
 
Posts: 221
Send a message via AIM to kancer kid
The moon should definetely be used for resources. But I also think it should be used as a base to launch missions, say to Mars, the asteroid belt, and beyond. It would be cheaper to launch there because of the lower gravitational pull.

Of course, if we used nuclear powered ships, this wouldn't really be a matter of contention, since it would take much less time to get to Mars, it would be cheaper, and the space progam could do a lot more.


“Destruction, hence, like creation, is one of Nature's mandates.” - Marquis De Sade
kancer kid is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2009, 04:12 pm   #7 (permalink)
Ender
The Clockwork Man
 
Ender's Avatar
 
Location: The Keystone State
Posts: 527
Blog Entries: 2
All of the above and more. We should have started a long time ago. In fact, I would propose we restructure our economy and military toward space exploration and encourage other countries to do the same.


"Only one rabbi dared to expect of us such a perfect balance that we could preserve the law and still forgive the deviation. So, of course, we killed him."
Speaker for the Dead by Orson Scott Card
Ender is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 28, 2009, 06:29 pm   #8 (permalink)
Angry Citizen
The Embittered One
 
Angry Citizen's Avatar
 
Location: Texas
Posts: 1,741
Blog Entries: 2
I think the future of manned space exploration needs to take place through companies. Once I'm done with my aerospace degree, I intend to apply to a commercial space company in the hopes that it'll finally get off the ground (literally). History shows that the true trailblazers are entrepreneurial individuals seeking new ground.

Colonies will follow when there is work to be done. Imagine mining Mars for resources. With a non-molten core, you could conceivably dig much, much deeper for resources.
Angry Citizen is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 8, 2010, 09:44 am   #9 (permalink)
Sapien
Warren
 
Sapien's Avatar
 
Posts: 34
Well if history has taught us anything it's that machines are far more preferable than humans. If indeed (as Toast mentioned) Helium-3 is worth getting, we'll probably put some machines on the moon. If there's something on Mars, we might put machines there too. I doubt very much that we'll ever see large-scale colonization of another planet. Not in the near future, anyway.

Machines need fuel (and sometimes maintenance). Humans need food, clothing, shelter, waste disposal, medicine, entertainment, etc. It is *much* more expensive to send humans ANYWHERE than it is to send a machine.. plus, while the citizenry will take a bunch of disabled machines, they don't look too kindly on dead astronauts. Even if they're corporate. Probably.

Also, consider the implications of such a mining operation.. first you train the techs. This alone costs millions of dollars. Then you transport them and their gear to the planet, which is more expensive AND risky. I don't know of anyone mass-producing spaceships. Anyway, assuming they arrive safely they still have to set up a secure base camp and do the actual mining.. dealing with foreign terrain, far away from outside assistance. Once THIS is done, the resource must be loaded back onto the ship -- exactly how big is this ship? How much cargo can it hold? How much fuel does it take to get back to earth with tens of thousands of pounds of ore?

Sounds awfully cost-prohibitive to me. In order for an entity to make a profit, the ship would have to be.. well, big. Huge. Massive! Even bigger than massive. Gargantuan?

Simply put, I think a major mining operation is out of the question. A small research colony, however.. definitely possible. And as for actually settling on another planet -- I'm aware that no one (that I saw) brought this up, but SOMEONE probably would. Won't happen. Shouldn't happen. Short of Earth BLOWING UP (and somehow not taking the moon out too) there will never be a reason to set up another home on another planet. We have plenty of inhospitable and uninhabited places on earth that we can live in if we so choose. The ocean, for example.


Don't worry, you'll run out of air long before we leave you behind.
Sapien is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 8, 2010, 10:03 am   #10 (permalink)
Jack
Inquisitor
 
Jack's Avatar
 
Location: San Diego, CA
Posts: 17,895
Blog Entries: 70
Send a message via ICQ to Jack
The mining or colonization of another planet would most likely only happen one of two ways, either through international cooperation or by a single country by fiat. <sarcasm>We've seen how well various nations work together for the common good; the United Nations is a roaring success. </sarcasm> If one nation claims sovereignty by fiat, wouldn't that bring about more wars and international disputes over the right to do so? The only example we have of an international agreement to share resources is Antarctica. If that continent were good for anything more than scientific exploration into climate I'm reasonably sure there would be more contention over the restrictions on any one nation to claim it as theirs.



The Forum Rules

Radical Atheist
Jeber's
If we're all God's children, what's so special about Jesus?
Jack is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 8, 2010, 01:33 pm   #11 (permalink)
yukonmuffin
Quality > Quantity
 
yukonmuffin's Avatar
 
Location: North of 60°
Posts: 1,067
Blog Entries: 2
You know you've been online too long when you <tag> your sarcasm


Breakn' Stuff to Look tough.
yukonmuffin is online now   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 13, 2010, 12:40 am   #12 (permalink)
The Black Ghost
Emperor
 
The Black Ghost's Avatar
 
Posts: 776
Blog Entries: 1
Because its cool.

Lets be honest, beneath it all, thats the real reason we're doing all this.



I dont blame them.


If evil is my enemy, then I will fight against it. If evil is on my side, then evil is my friend. If it is simply the way of all human nature, are we then all evil?
The Black Ghost is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -7. The time now is 01:41 am.

Sponsors (become a sponsor)
Coach Purses, Conference Calling, Laser Hair Removal Offices, Beauty Supplies, Gambling Online, xango, Miele Vacuums, Plus Size Bras, liquid vitamins, weight loss, Smiley Central, Monetise your website, Vacuum-Direct.com, Hydroponics & Grow Lights, Offshore banking, beauty salons, Retail Electric Providers Cirro Energy, LasVegas Vacations, homes in hudson, Affordable Web Hosting, Security Audit, Guy Factor, Gun Forums
Arizona Landscaping - Internet Marketing - Debt Consolidation - Renegade Motorhomes
Powered by vBulletin Version 3.8.2 Copyright ©2000 - 2010, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0

© 2003–12/21/2012 Jason Siegel

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10