Homosexualism has a cure!

[Questatement]

Quote by: Adam Knight We're beginning to see states pass laws and veto laws allowing Homosexual marriage. It is still sad too see the hate rally's and too see that people are trying to cure it is just sad.

What about the other 200+ sexual 'isms' that don't qualify as legal marriages based on sexual orientation? Although most have not yet had the nerve to request marriage 'rights,' are you equally sad for all of them?

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Maryjane Funny...my son's in Special Forces training and there are plenty of homosexuals in the military. You have to be pretty damn tough to make the cut of Green Beret. Things have changed since you were in the service. Don't ask, don't tell, is on its way out.

I saw a few homosexuals in the military. Any, if caught were tossed out, it took one day. You would see armed guards at the fellow's door to guard against him getting out and defiling the men.

I only knew of one man who was at least bi. I caught him in bed with another man. I turned on my heal and walked out of the room. The fellow and I shared the head and we were friends. He never spoke to me again, and I never said a word to him. He went to Vietnam flying an F-4 He was married. The fellow he was with had DOR'd (drop on request), and was gone the next day.

I was also a drill sergeant for three years. If we had had homosexuals in the ranks it would have caused a huge problem. For example, we used to go on night movements. The men split up into pairs, buttoned their shelter halves together and crawled in. If someone would have been queer the troops would have refused to sleep next to them. What would I have done? Demand it? Can't do that. Not being comfortable around homosexuals is natural, being forced to live closely with one is not.

Men in the military are together and naked all of the time. Sorry, can't throw homosexuals in that mix without causing a problem. In the navy they sometimes tossed them over the side. It's true. Not nice, but the men demanded it.

[Dodds]

My point is homosexuality is not a disease so therefore does not need a cure.

[Night]

Well not all Christians hate gays. There are very open minded congregations. That's the future of Christianity. The hardcore conservatives we all love to hate are a dying breed thankfully. They have already been marginalized out of mainstream Christianity.

Back on topic...

Questestatement, what are you even trying to argue now?

[lukas8u]

Really Rog, it does?

Have the made one for stupidity too? Because that's the one we really need.

[Deadeye]

Quote by: Dodds My point is homosexuality is not a disease so therefore does not need a cure.

I don't know if homosexuality is a disease or not. What I believe is that it's unnatural; a sexual perversion. But I do not believe that homosexuals should be centured or punished or harmed in any way. They can live their lives as they choose. As a matter of fact, I'd fight for their right to live as they choose. I'm all about freedom, you see.

[Night]

Quote by: Deadeye I don't know if homosexuality is a disease or not. What I believe is that it's unnatural; a sexual perversion.

What you "believe" is simply not true, Deadeye. Homosexuality occurs in hundreds of species of animals, such as penguins. Homosexuality is natural. It occurs across all cultures, countries, and periods of history. It occurs in nature. Therefore, it is natural.

[Night]

Quote by: lukas8u Really Rog, it does? Have the made one for stupidity too? Because that's the one we really need.

As you know, the religious right is always looking for a way to survive. If there was a way to eliminate stupidity, the religious right would oppose it.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Deadeye Men in the military are together and naked all of the time. Sorry, can't throw homosexuals in that mix without causing a problem. In the navy they sometimes tossed them over the side. It's true. Not nice, but the men demanded it.

But I do not believe that homosexuals should be centured or punished or harmed in any way. They can live their lives as they choose. As a matter of fact, I'd fight for their right to live as they choose. I'm all about freedom, you see.

Just as long as they don't choose the military...to fight for their country. Gotcha!

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Questatement I would love to see such evidence should it exist. Pictures of mounting behavior and ancient, native ceremonial narratives don't quite cut if for me.

I feel the same way about your god(s).

[big_lefty]

Quote by: Angry Citizen Gay people, unlike Down Syndrome children, actually have lives... But I'm sure if Christians could know the sexual orientation of their children mid-pregnancy, they'd do a pretty big about-face on the abortion thing. Christians hate gays more than Limbaugh hates democrats.

Down syndrome children have no lives? What are you talking about?

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: Deadeye I don't know if homosexuality is a disease or not. What I believe is that it's unnatural; a sexual perversion. But I do not believe that homosexuals should be centured or punished or harmed in any way. They can live their lives as they choose. As a matter of fact, I'd fight for their right to live as they choose. I'm all about freedom, you see.

the thing is, are you holding your belief because you have good reason or is it just another example of mindless hatred?

the same can be asked for your assertion that you would fight for their right to live as they choose, is it a mindless response or do you actually give it any intelligent thought?

[big_lefty]

Quote by: Deadeye I don't know if homosexuality is a disease or not. What I believe is that it's unnatural; a sexual perversion. But I do not believe that homosexuals should be centured or punished or harmed in any way. They can live their lives as they choose. As a matter of fact, I'd fight for their right to live as they choose. I'm all about freedom, you see.

A sexual perversion simply deviates from the norm. Deviations from the norm abound in nature. So there's no basis to claim it's not natural.

[big_lefty]

Quote by: Questatement Innate feminine traits are those found on a biologically level (e.g. at birth before socialization) more often, of greater intensity, and/or in congregate in women as opposed to men. The rule so to speak, not the exception. Feminine traits are as follows - affectionate, cheerful, childlike, compassionate, creative, flatterable, gentle, gullible, loyal, sensitive, shy, soft-spoken, sympathetic, tender, understanding, warm and yielding Masculine traits - aggressive, ambitious, analytical, assertive, athletic, competitive, decisive, dominant, forceful, independent, individualistic, self-reliant, and willing to take risks.

Those traits are not innate to either gender, but vary from person to person. You've just posted ludicrous stereotypes, and it's notable that you assigned all the weak characteristics to women. You stopped just short of saying women are innately stupid doormats and men are innately super-heroes.
Laughable sexist claptrap.

[big_lefty]

Quote by: Questatement According to the research and theraputic experience done by NARTH, one of the only major organizations in the Western world willing to help those with SSA when they desire to change, it is the rejection of the child based largely on feminine/masculine traits (specifically by fathers) that brings gender-related confusion leading to SSA no later than the onset of puberty. As far as males go, more young boys are rejected for (Jungian scale) feminine traits by 'masculine' fathers than masculine traits by 'feminine' fathers. Hence, gay men do tend to fall on the extremes of this scale although most on the feminine end.

"Here are 10 Key Facts to know about NARTH:

1) NARTH recommends “treating” males as young as three years old, referring to them as “pre-homosexual boys.” In our view, this is consumer fraud since parents are unlikely to see results, despite expensive therapy sessions. We also believe forcing children to undergo traumatic, shame inducing “therapy” is child abuse that may cause lasting psychological scars.

2) Reparative therapy is not considered a legitimate and accepted form of psychological care. It is soundly rejected by every mainstream medical and mental health organization in America. The American Psychological Association says attempts to change sexual orientation can cause, “anxiety, depression and self destructive behavior. In August 2009, the American Psychological Association produced a landmark report that said, there was “no evidence” that ex-gay therapy was effective, and many cases it was linked to harm. There are survivor organizations to help the victims of such therapy, as well as support groups for spouses who married a gay partner who could not change sexual orientations.

3) NARTH believes that heterosexuality is quite malleable. The group’s founder, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi, claims that if a straight male suffers “defeat or failure” he could become vulnerable to homosexuality.

4) NARTH is not a secular organization, as it often claims. For many years, Dr. Joseph Nicolosi served as a spokesperson for the far right Christian organization Focus on the Family. On CNN’s 360 Degrees with Anderson Cooper, (April 14, 2007), Nicolosi said, “We, as citizens, need to articulate God’s intent for human sexuality.” At the Feb. 10, 2007 Love Won Out conference in Phoenix, the “secular” therapist told the audience, “When we live our God-given integrity and our human dignity, there is no space for sex with a guy.”

5) Upon co-founding NARTH, its co-founder, Dr. Charles Socarides, who has a gay son that once served as President Bill Clinton’s gay liaison, told The Washington Post, “Homosexuality is a psychological and psychiatric disorder, there is no question about it. It is a purple menace that is threatening the proper design of gender distinctions in society.”

6) NARTH habitually distorts research. In 2008, Dr. Lisa Diamond, University of Utah, publicly rebuked NARTH in a Truth Wins Out YouTube video. Diamond claimed that Dr. Nicolosi deliberately twisted her work for political gain. NARTH also uses outdated studies from up to 100 years ago and repackages these invalid studies as new.

7) In 2006, NARTH psychiatrist Joseph Berger, MD, a member of its “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a paper encouraging students to “ridicule” gender variant children. “I suggest, indeed, letting children who wish go to school in clothes of the opposite sex–but not counseling other children to not tease them or hurt their feelings,” Dr. Berger wrote on NARTH’s website. “On the contrary, don’t interfere, and let the other children ridicule the child who has lost that clear boundary between play-acting at home and the reality needs of the outside world. Maybe, in this way, the child will re-establish that necessary boundary.”

8) In 2006, Gerald Schoenwolf, PhD, also a member of NARTH’s “Scientific Advisory Committee,” wrote a polemic on the group’s website that seemed to justify slavery: “With all due respect, there is another way, or other ways, to look at the race issue in America,” wrote Schoenwolf. “It could be pointed out, for example, that Africa at the time of slavery was still primarily a jungle, as yet uncivilized or industrialized. Life there was savage, as savage as the jungle for most people, and that it was the Africans themselves who first enslaved their own people. They sold their own people to other countries, and those brought to Europe, South America, America, and other countries, were in many ways better off than they had been in Africa. But if one even begins to say these things one is quickly shouted down as though one were a complete madman.”

9) NARTH’s co-founder, Joesph Nicolosi encourages male clients to become more masculine by drinking Gatorade and referring to friends as “dude”. NARTH therapists have been known to practice rubber band therapy, where a gay client is made to wear a rubber band and snap it on his wrist when sexually stimulated. It is a mild form of aversion therapy meant to “snap” the client out of the moment of attraction. NARTH members have also been known to practice “touch therapy”, where a client sits in the therapist’s lap for up to an hour, while the therapist caresses him.

0) NARTH associates with known extremists. At one NARTH convention, Richard Cohen (see Cohen and Nicolosi videos below) served as a therapy trainer. Cohen once belonged to a cult that practiced nude therapy and was permanently expelled from the American Counseling Association in 2003 for malpractice. Dr. Jeffrey Satinover, a NARTH therapist, has written that Prozac may cure gayness. Holocaust revisionist Scott Lively, has been a frequent contributor to NARTH’s website. Lively’s book, “The Pink Swastika” blames the holocaust on gay people. NARTH therapist Christopher Austin, (mugshot left) who taught seminars for NARTH, was convicted for sexually abusing his clients."


Truth Wins Out - 10 Key Facts Everyone Should Know About NARTH

[Dodds]

Just to play devils advocate. In nature homosexual acts are used to show dominance over other males. So he kinda has a point. Although I do agree with you that it is sexist claptrap.

[big_lefty]

Quote by: Questatement I already said as much. The confusion occurs when a child is rejected based on traits which his/her parents (mainly the father if a boy) finds objectionable or repulsive due to false expectations on the part of the parent. It can even occur when a father gets only feminine girls when all he really wanted was a boy to toss the football to and relive his lost childhood/manhood through. A single mother treating her son as the daughter she always wanted is another common scenario. It's a tragic (and abusive) lack of attachment that all humans crave and need for positive self-image and healthy relationships starting at infancy with ones family-of-origin, forward through all of life.

Your only source for this theory is the discredited, fraudulent organization NARTH. Guess how much weight your claims carry as a result.

[Maryjane]

Questatement:

Feminine traits are as follows - affectionate, cheerful, childlike, compassionate, creative, flatterable, gentle, gullible, loyal, sensitive, shy, soft-spoken, sympathetic, tender, understanding, warm and yielding. Masculine traits - aggressive, ambitious, analytical, assertive, athletic, competitive, decisive, dominant, forceful, independent, individualistic, self-reliant, and willing to take risks.

Quote by: big_lefty Those traits are not innate to either gender, but vary from person to person. You've just posted ludicrous stereotypes, and it's notable that you assigned all the weak characteristics to women. You stopped just short of saying women are innately stupid doormats and men are innately super-heroes. Laughable sexist claptrap.

I laughed too. I'm wondering who Questatement thinks is the male model of masculinity? Himself? Personally, I think he's just describing his ideal woman...the submissive type.

[Maryjane]

Quote by: Dodds Just to play devils advocate. In nature homosexual acts are used to show dominance over other males. So he kinda has a point. Although I do agree with you that it is sexist claptrap.

FWIW...I've read that anal sex can be an issue of dominance for males in heterosexual relationships as well. (so is it really a homosexual act?)

[Dodds]

Depends on consent I would say. But then again would male rape be seen as a homosexual act with that argument. I am not sure.