Human Cryonic Suspension

[Robert Marsh II]

"The Prospect of Human Immortality Through the Scientific Method of Cryonic Suspension"

Have you ever wondered where the idea for freezing humans after death really came from?

What about the scientific, ethical and legality issues involved?

What would the future be like for someone once thawed?

Has nanotechnology opened new vistas of hope for cryonic suspension, and of course the stabilized revival to a healthy life???

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"Robert C.W. Ettinger: The Father of Modern Cryonic Human Preservation"

During the early 1960's, Robert C.W. Ettinger authored "The Prospect of Immortality" and ignited a completely new dimension to the term 'clinical death'!

He has said that death can only be defined in relative terms, and he points to the hundreds of persons revived after drowning, asphyxiation, electrocution and heart attacks.

"Biological death depends not only on the state of the body", Ettinger says, "But also on the state of medical art during any given time-period of history!"

Instead of being embalmed, a body should be kept under refrigeration to prevent deterioration --- so there is still a chance for a continuation of life!

Death has been known to deceive even the finest doctors time after time!

The entire subject of Cryonics is currently based upon 'future' scientific medical discoveries, such as is being seen in the advent of Nano-Technology!

If the new discoveries of medicine continue to exponentially increase, and if civilization continues to advance, then the resolution of most any medical dilemma is quite plausible!!!

As to the cost ($$$), what would be the cost of human immortality???

There is no such thing as a "Sure Thing" concerning anything in this life; however, based upon the actual precedents currently being set within all medical fields, the statistical odds are increasing toward probable solutions.

Some people have only been able to afford their 'head' frozen, and in the future it may become possible to grow a complete new body or just download the consciousness into a cybernetic organism!

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[Robert Marsh II]

At the pronouncement of being clinically dead, thus legally dead, this does not in and of itself mean irreversibly dead!

Low temperature conditions have already been proven to virtually halt all chemical and tissue degeneration within the human body.

Scientific Justification of Cryonics :
http://www.cryonics.org/reports/Scie...tification.pdf

[Robert Marsh II]

Scientists and mathematicians could be frozen in suspended animation at death, then once revived and fully restored could upgrade toward a continued life of sacrifice for mankind's greater good.

Even ordinary individuals could possibly be 'programmed' with higher education and learning skills to advance mentally further than ever dreamed possible in our current era!

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[Robert Marsh II]

What is the cost for future scientific achievement and cultural advancement of the human race?

Can any price be too high for a stab at immortality?

The following is a deal at twice the price!

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[Charlatan]

Unfortunately once the body stops functioning the body is dead. ONly electrical impulses need to be sent through he body to keep it alive, but then still you need to have cellular respiration.

A better idea is to have the body stop producing the aging cells. This can be done by adding cells fro myoung people, as there will always be young people, to the body in question. Taking the cells out of the youngster will stop the aging, and adding cellular repairing cells, like the ones found in zygotes - and there are plenty of those lying around each month in periods - they could repair the body so that the person becomes 'young' again, as the bones regrow and stuff. The brain though will need the hormones most, orally injested or injected.

[Charlatan]

... and to get the zygote out before it is ready, while it is still alive, they need to can suck it out by inserting a probe into the vagina and womb so that they can suck it out. It is small, and the vagina is big, so it will fit, hopefully. They can just target non virgins as they have bigger 'parts' and then suck it out by a suction device, then keep it alive with respirators, then harvest the cells from the zygote. Then they could do a orally injested session daily of the blood and the cells will flourish in the blood of the person. Taking vitamen supplements will help a lot to make the body appear to be healthy so the cells can divide. The cells that don;t divide would eventually die off and the new ones could be used, as cells die eventually.

[Robert Marsh II]

Utilizing nanotechnology could completely control cell degeneration and eventually eradicate the aging process, which leads to clinical death.

Ultimately, only the most extreme accident/murder cases would need to be cryonically preserved in biostasis, until the medical communities were able to reanimate the deceased (injured) person for final repairs.

Nanotechnology and Cryonics

Cryonics Institute -- Feature Article: Nanotechnology and Cryonics

[The Black Ghost]

Im sure there is a way to keep a living body in "stasis" (alive, but not aging) or (hibernating, but not degrading). It defies natural laws of life, however, they have found some animals (presumably old) trapped in coal and were found alive--somehow... who knows.


But freezing seems like a failed idea, unless you could reach the unreachable 0 Kelvin (all molecules stop moving). This would effectively freeze someone in time...but this is impossible to acheive, and it would still kill them after it "thawed"

[SteveMcKay]

Quote by: The Black Ghost But freezing seems like a failed idea, unless you could reach the unreachable 0 Kelvin (all molecules stop moving). This would effectively freeze someone in time...but this is impossible to achieve, and it would still kill them after it "thawed"

The biggest problem with freezing is that the ice crystals formed in all but the most instant freezing/defrost process will rupture the cell walls. All the cells, all their walls. Nano tech robots might be the only way to repair them but then again... can a mechanic repair a car that has been in the crusher? I don’t think so.

The only currently conceivable way to put someone in a form of suspended animation is to force them into a very low metabolic rate with drugs, hormones, and/or, my favorite, bring the individual to just above the freezing point. Not indefinite but could extend the lifespan enough for say a 100 yr RT journey.

[SteveMcKay]

Quote by: The Black Ghost however, they have found some animals (presumably old) trapped in coal and were found alive--somehow... who knows.

I think animals might be a bit of a stretch here... since most will think complicated multicellular creatures like mice, frogs, spiders, or even sponges. As far as I know the only organisms "re-animated" after anything more than a century or two have been seeds, fungi spores (Egypt), bacterium type single cell stuff (New Mexico salt mines... 100's of millions years old), and viruses.

Still it is really cool that it happens at all and this phenonemon is the source of much study into scientific based life extension. A gene is a gene I guess. Figure out what drives one to "live" for millions of years and it opens the doors to untold wonders. So I hope.

[Robert Marsh II]

It was discovered that glycerols could be used as a cryonics antifreeze protectant, in order to protect and stabilize cells from the ice crystal vitrification process, that occurs in nature during the freezing procedures:

VITRIFICATION IN CRYONICS

CRYONICS: THE ISSUES

[Robert Marsh II]

Change Previous Post #11 To Read: "Glycerols and Vitrification".

It was discovered that glycerols could be used as a cryonics antifreeze protectant, in order to protect and stabilize cells from ice crystal formation damage, that occurs in nature during the freezing procedures.

Vitrification eliminates the ice crystal formations during the freezing process.

VITRIFICATION IN CRYONICS

CRYONICS: THE ISSUES

CRYONICS − FREQUENTLY ASKED QUESTIONS (FAQ)

What is Vitrification?

[DJK]

Information theoretic death is the only true scientific definition of death. Cellular resperation can be haulted and restarted...and is done so naturally in certain animals, by accident in humans and in certain medical procedures...even electrical activity in the brain has been shown to resume from a in active state while patients recieve theraputic hypothermia treatments in certain cold brain surgeries.

[DJK]

What is natural? The answer everything..we are nature incarnate...we are the hands of nature affecting nature with our natural minds. Our Minds are products of nature...our every fiber and being is the byproduct of evolutionary nature.

[DJK]

Freezing damage can be mitigated...artic frogs freeze solid..embryos have been frozen to liquid nitrogen temps and revived as normal healthy people so the statement that cellular damage done via freezing is absolute has already proven to be a false premise...the cryonics organizations also protect the tissues of their patients with cryoprotectants that are in use in all major organ transplant proceedures...It was the cryonics orgs that developed and patented these formulas not the hospitals.

[DJK]

yes you need to reach absolute zero for zero molecular movement...but no you do not need to completely stop all thermal vibration unless you think it will take more then 100,000 yrs to revive patients...a very pessimistic view. Most cryonisits believe based on moores law that revivals will be accomplished within 100 yrs. At liquid nitrogen temps thermal vibration is so minimal as to have virtually no effect after 100,000 yrs. Even at room temp thermal vibration is not so much as to shake us apart while we are alive...there is many other forces that liquify a person at room temp after cardiac arrest. But at Liquid nitrogen temps those forces and thermal vibration are practically eliminated or slowed to levels far less damaging then normal everyday life or other associated aging processes.

[DJK]

If you are refering to embryonic stem cells...?
There is no need for these cells any more...as recent as of this May scientists have developed a way to take stem cells from adults and revert them back to multipotent embryonic stem cells with the exact genetic make up of the host patient. This means 2 things... no more stemcell abortion debate and no rejection of stem cells that are not from your own body. This also means that future frozen patients could have cells swapped out via some sort of nanotechnology with cultured stem cells cloned from thier own bodies to replace any damage from freezing, aging, and disease or trauma

[DJK]

Can a machanic repair a car in a crusher? Theoretically yes..Its just really hard to do. A better question is can a computer technician retrieve the data off the hard drive of a computer droped off the empire state building...the answer is yes...take the same hard drive and dissolve it in acid and the answer is no. Freezing someone is like saving the smashed hard drive while cremation or burial amounts to dissolving the patient in acid. If the Mechanic was to seriously attempt to restore the crushed car he would need to swap some parts out...but the design of the car could be infered and reconstructed. The body of the patient is the easy part since cloning can replace the entire organism but the mind is a diiferent story...much like the hard drive the mind must be read from the damaged hard drive disks...or frozen brain structure. Which is also theoretically possible...just hard to do!

[Robert Marsh II]

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There are two current arguments concerning the future technological outcome for mankind : >>>>

#1. Continued positive advances leading toward unimaginable capabilities.........

---- Or ---

#2. The approaching technological singularity could overtake and wipe out all these positive outcomes; thus creating a completely different world.........

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Do you see the glass as half full or half empty???

Anyone cryonically frozen today should be able to be thawed, reanimated and repaired in only 1 -2 thousand years ---- unless mankind stagnates, goes backward or becomes extinct.

In reality, we currently have a spinning quarter on the table, and waiting to see whether it falls heads or tails up, as the final result.

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[DJK]

Even if the singularity happends...I dont think this will be a bad thing! I dont believe it will wipe out what is good but instead may enhance what is good to facinating heights.....well The truth is no one really knows....but Im a glass half full type of person....I think that all technology is neither good nor evil...it is simply knowledge applied...Is knowledge good or bad? Fire is technology and we can use it to cook food or burn someone at a stake. It is people who apply technology in good or bad ways....as technology becomes more powerful so does its potential for good or bad! So should we limit technology? Should we limit knowledge? I will never accept the luddite argument for avoiding technology or staying dumb. Education and technology can free us from suffering....like death. The singularity may happen but I say bring it on!