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Robert Marsh II · Nov 17, 2008, 07:00 pm

November 17th 2008

As pointed out by Nono many comments ago; that ever since the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) attempted it's first tests, there came an amazing coincidental 'black hole' of global economic mayhem, which has been vacuuming the world markets, as well as the LHC itself!

We stand upon the edge of the financial 'event horizon' peering over it's boundary, and half expect to see many LHC technicians swirling in violent circles!?

But seriously though:

Large Hadron Collider to remain shut until middle of next year - Times Online

Media-Newswire.com - Press Release Distribution - PR Agency

Robert Marsh II · Nov 27, 2008, 08:53 am

November 27th 2008

To all who celebrate:
HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!!

Does youtube.com contribute any scientific benefit or relevance, toward science in general, but explicitly in regard to the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)?

If there is 'no' scientific value, do these representations serve some other higher purpose, in this regard?

YouTube - end of the world?, the Large Hadron Collider ( LHC )

YouTube - Broadcast Yourself.

Michael Noonan · Nov 30, 2008, 08:41 am

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Does youtube.com contribute any scientific benefit or relevance, toward science in general, but explicitly in regard to the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)?

I do not know. Does Youtube cause people to think or formulate better questions?

With respect to special relativity there is Cerenkov Radiation that is light traveling faster than maximum in a medium around nuclear fuel rods. It is still slower than the speed of light in a vacuum. Light can be slowed to a crawl using lasers and an ambitious experiment to bend space has been devised to test the idea.

One idea that was put up is that it is not so much the light that is constant but the matter designed to receive it. Light only travels in a medium at odd speeds but is always registered as traveling at light speed by detectors. The detectors have one definite constant and that is all detectors are made of atoms. If light can be made variable how would you know it if the transmitter and the detector had to remain constant?

Robert Marsh II · Dec 2, 2008, 11:48 am

December 2nd 2008

Perhaps Youtube acts to stimulate and agitate the human mind, into higher orbits of conscious thought!?

We must still constantly guard against false information, and sort the details for accuracy; since the governing forces do not seem to exist, as they should in this form of public media!

YouTube - LHC

Yarn · Dec 2, 2008, 06:09 pm

So, have we figured out whether artificial gravity and/or weightless matter is possible yet?

Imagine how cool it would be if we could seperate gravitons from atoms in large quantities through an inexpensive process. Thats probably impossible, but who knows. Come on LHC, get on it already, would you!?

Not to say that the LHC could actually create a black hole, but if you extracted gravitons from atoms, that is if you seperated the gravitational force from the electromagnetic force, mightn't you be able to create a black hole by virtue of the fact that the gravitons wouldn't have any charges to keep them distant from one another? I suspect not. Rather I think the gravitons would, like neutrinos and maybe dark matter (maybe dark matter is just gravitons and nothing else), only interact via the weak force (that is direct collision, as opposed to field collision) and hence never coalesce.

Robert Marsh II · Dec 7, 2008, 09:00 am

December 7th 2008

I have officially invited technicians from CERN LHC to visit this debate forum. There is no guarantee that they shall arrive, however, the offer has been made nonetheless.

I shall also invite Stephen Hawking, but seriously doubt his appearance here, because his admin assistance group may not even deliver this to him. However, it does not hurt to try!

During the interim, the continuing debate revolves around the possible amazing discoveries, the definite risks, and the general CERN LHC updates as they are made available.

God's Particle Costs $29 Million in Repairs to the LHC - First images of the damage have been made public - Softpedia

LHC_Homepage

US/LHC - Large Hadron Collider

US LHC Blog » CERN confirms 2009 LHC restart

Robert Marsh II · Dec 7, 2008, 09:30 am

December 7th 2008

I am continuing to deliver personal e-mail invitations to CERN LHC officials, technicians, and even to Stephen Hawking, to enter into this debate.

At least they may observe our humble work!

This is a copy of an actual invite pasted below (my e-mail address edited):

(See Comment #168 Below For Copy Correction).

Robert Marsh II · Dec 7, 2008, 10:15 am

December 7th 2008

This is a copy correction from my previous comment.

To: robert.aymar
Cc: robertmarsh
From: robert marsh
Subject: Personal Invite To Volconvo CERN LHC/ALICE/ATLAS Public Debate Forum
Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:16 AM

Dear Sir; Everyone is hereby invited to an ongoing CERN LHC/ALICE/ATLAS Public Opinion Debate Forum in progress, through the following direct-link url:

Cern Lhc/alice/atlas

I am attempting to invite technicians, officials, and even Stephen Hawking to enter into this debate.
Any assistance you might render, shall be deeply appreciated in this matter!
Sincerely, Robert Marsh II / THE FIFTH KNIGHT

Michael Noonan · Dec 9, 2008, 11:40 am

I hope you are successful Robert Marsh II maybe they might find a reference to Fogbank and that I believe the rate of change to be exponential rather than linear to be of enough interest to discuss a unified proposal.

The scientific method is the worst I have ever encountered for the development of ideas and logical extension to the physical model. If human thinking is to ever advance in time to address the coming difficulties there needs to be a radical shift in all fields.

Michael

Robert Marsh II · Dec 9, 2008, 01:13 pm

December 9th 2008

Michael Noonan; Does the following url cover the Fogbank reference?

Secret Ingredient Delays Missile Upgrade | Danger Room from Wired.com

Sincerely, Robert Marsh II / THE FIFTH KNIGHT
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Michael Noonan · Dec 9, 2008, 03:36 pm

A cleaning agent is driving the super powers to develop smaller nuclear warheads?

Fogbank is simply a code to describe a problem. Linking it to a space age aerogel is very clever. Naturally there are several uses:- aerogels are used to extract flavor in decaffeinated coffee. Considered an ultra lite building material and an insulator and at 3 to 4 times heavier than air a space age material.

There is a possibility that it is a cover for the reduction required for the critical mass of nuclear warheads. Trident to be phased out early and just over a year back the UK had to move the weapons further apart to lower unacceptable background radiation sounds a lot like 'frozen smoke' being blown somewhere.

It does have the attention of the nuclear scientists. If there is a problem with physics then it may be about time to consider T-symmetry and knowing the progression or at least looking for options. Either the problem is known or there is a coverup or someone in charge is too stupid to make a decision. Knowing the world today ... probably all three

Michael Noonan · Dec 10, 2008, 04:10 pm

If you want a logic exercise then what would be the effect of T-symmetry reversal and you can use any form of cornering or twist to avoid backing up. I recommend the angular displacement from galaxy M87 to M77.

Assume the strong nuclear force is constant. Then look specifically at isotopes and which people would be most at risk. Now compare the results to Biblical Revelations with reference to women with young children and those who are pregnant.

Any good scientist or mathematician could work this one out.

minorwork · Dec 15, 2008, 10:36 pm

Quote:

Quote by: Michael Noonan

If you want a logic exercise then what would be the effect of T-symmetry reversal and you can use any form of cornering or twist to avoid backing up. I recommend the angular displacement from galaxy M87 to M77.

Assume the strong nuclear force is constant. Then look specifically at isotopes and which people would be most at risk. Now compare the results to Biblical Revelations with reference to women with young children and those who are pregnant.

Any good scientist or mathematician could work this one out.

What the...? Not being either of the qualifiers, how about spilling the beans. I'm interested. What verses in Revelations?

Can't resist a link to a little satire on CERN and the Large Earth Collider from the ONION.

Scientists Warn Large Earth Collider May Destroy Earth | The Onion - America's Finest News Source

Robert Marsh II · Dec 17, 2008, 08:13 pm

Minorwork; Satire is Umm-Umm good, as long as I can have some of that 'Onion' for the primordial plasma 'soup':

Excerpt: "Although scientists cannot travel back in time to study the primordial particle 'soup' of the very early Universe, they can do the next best thing --- recreate it." CERN LHC ALICE prepares to do just that!

iSGTW Feature - ALICE prepares for data

Robert Marsh II · Dec 21, 2008, 07:37 am

December 21st 2008

I have personally witnessed (literally) hundreds of articles, and hundreds of blogs come across my search-engine scan for CERN LHC!

This is a tribute to all the 2008 blogs and articles, that parade across the Internet search-engines in a seemingly endless flow.

I previously posted a 'youtube' spot, about 13 comments back (#162), so now it's blogs and articles' turn in the spotlight.

*Note: Most of us are aware, that not all information on the Internet is correct, or even fact-based.

The following is just a 'tiny drop in the ocean' sampler:

SCIENCE FACTS AND TRIVIAS.: The Large Hadron Collider

Google Search: CERN LHC Articles

Google Search: CERN LHC Blogs

Science year in review: 2008 (ABC News in Science)

Tom tol » 'Bigbang' is it test or experiment?

Hi-Tech Review Center: The Large Hadron Collider - First Beam

Atom Smasher Down For Two Months

JJ58 · Dec 21, 2008, 08:16 am

I would love to comment bon your writings robert but there are far too many big words in you article for me to understand it. I bet you say the word ambiguous instead of unclear too. Even the great mr hawking would have trouble getting to grips with it. Are you a politician or a psychologist by any chance?

Nono · Dec 21, 2008, 08:43 am

JJ, there are far too many over-short, misspelled words in your post for me not to laugh out loud when reading it. Even the great Mr Bush would have trouble stooping to that level. Have you recently been bitten by a rabid animal by any chance?

Robert Marsh II · Dec 23, 2008, 12:47 am

December 22nd 2008

CERN Large Hadron Collider has been named 'Phenomenon Of The Year'!

The Large Hadron Collider has been dubbed the "Phenomenon of the Year" by the editors of the prestigious journal Science. - swissinfo

I was sure it was going to be Britney Spears this year!!!

Didn't You???

JJ58 · Dec 23, 2008, 01:11 pm

ok then nono if u r so cleva what do the initials DNA stand for?

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Nov 17, 2008, 07:00 pm	#161 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC Update: Financial Repairs - November 17th 2008 November 17th 2008 As pointed out by Nono many comments ago; that ever since the CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) attempted it's first tests, there came an amazing coincidental 'black hole' of global economic mayhem, which has been vacuuming the world markets, as well as the LHC itself! We stand upon the edge of the financial 'event horizon' peering over it's boundary, and half expect to see many LHC technicians swirling in violent circles!? But seriously though: Large Hadron Collider to remain shut until middle of next year - Times Online Media-Newswire.com - Press Release Distribution - PR Agency Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Nov 27, 2008, 08:53 am	#162 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN Large Hadron Collider (LHC) HAPPY THANKSGIVING / Is youtube.com Relevant To LHC? November 27th 2008 To all who celebrate: HAVE A HAPPY THANKSGIVING!!! Does youtube.com contribute any scientific benefit or relevance, toward science in general, but explicitly in regard to the Large Hadron Collider (LHC)? If there is 'no' scientific value, do these representations serve some other higher purpose, in this regard? YouTube - end of the world?, the Large Hadron Collider ( LHC ) YouTube - Broadcast Yourself. Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Dec 2, 2008, 11:48 am	#164 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC - Response To: Michael Noonan December 2nd 2008 Perhaps Youtube acts to stimulate and agitate the human mind, into higher orbits of conscious thought!? We must still constantly guard against false information, and sort the details for accuracy; since the governing forces do not seem to exist, as they should in this form of public media! YouTube - LHC Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Dec 2, 2008, 06:09 pm	#165 (permalink)
Yarn Hot Lava Location: Southwest Conneticut Posts: 975 Blog Entries: 1	So, have we figured out whether artificial gravity and/or weightless matter is possible yet? Imagine how cool it would be if we could seperate gravitons from atoms in large quantities through an inexpensive process. Thats probably impossible, but who knows. Come on LHC, get on it already, would you!? Not to say that the LHC could actually create a black hole, but if you extracted gravitons from atoms, that is if you seperated the gravitational force from the electromagnetic force, mightn't you be able to create a black hole by virtue of the fact that the gravitons wouldn't have any charges to keep them distant from one another? I suspect not. Rather I think the gravitons would, like neutrinos and maybe dark matter (maybe dark matter is just gravitons and nothing else), only interact via the weak force (that is direct collision, as opposed to field collision) and hence never coalesce. Humility is a prerequisite for wisdom because we will always be wrong about many things and therefore must be open to realizing error.

Dec 7, 2008, 09:00 am	#166 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC & Stephen Hawking Invited To Visit Volconvo December 7th 2008 I have officially invited technicians from CERN LHC to visit this debate forum. There is no guarantee that they shall arrive, however, the offer has been made nonetheless. I shall also invite Stephen Hawking, but seriously doubt his appearance here, because his admin assistance group may not even deliver this to him. However, it does not hurt to try! During the interim, the continuing debate revolves around the possible amazing discoveries, the definite risks, and the general CERN LHC updates as they are made available. God's Particle Costs $29 Million in Repairs to the LHC - First images of the damage have been made public - Softpedia LHC_Homepage US/LHC - Large Hadron Collider US LHC Blog » CERN confirms 2009 LHC restart Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Dec 7, 2008, 09:30 am	#167 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC: Director General Robert Aymar Invited To Volconvo Debate Forum December 7th 2008 I am continuing to deliver personal e-mail invitations to CERN LHC officials, technicians, and even to Stephen Hawking, to enter into this debate. At least they may observe our humble work! This is a copy of an actual invite pasted below (my e-mail address edited): (See Comment #168 Below For Copy Correction). Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo Last edited by Robert Marsh II; Dec 7, 2008 at 10:16 am.

Dec 7, 2008, 10:15 am	#168 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC: Robert Aymar Invited To Volconvo (Copy Correction) December 7th 2008 This is a copy correction from my previous comment. To: robert.aymar Cc: robertmarsh From: robert marsh Subject: Personal Invite To Volconvo CERN LHC/ALICE/ATLAS Public Debate Forum Date: Sunday, December 7, 2008 9:16 AM Dear Sir; Everyone is hereby invited to an ongoing CERN LHC/ALICE/ATLAS Public Opinion Debate Forum in progress, through the following direct-link url: Cern Lhc/alice/atlas I am attempting to invite technicians, officials, and even Stephen Hawking to enter into this debate. Any assistance you might render, shall be deeply appreciated in this matter! Sincerely, Robert Marsh II / THE FIFTH KNIGHT Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Dec 9, 2008, 11:40 am	#169 (permalink)
Michael Noonan Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	Fogbank I hope you are successful Robert Marsh II maybe they might find a reference to Fogbank and that I believe the rate of change to be exponential rather than linear to be of enough interest to discuss a unified proposal. The scientific method is the worst I have ever encountered for the development of ideas and logical extension to the physical model. If human thinking is to ever advance in time to address the coming difficulties there needs to be a radical shift in all fields. Michael

Dec 9, 2008, 01:13 pm	#170 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC: Response To Michael Noonan December 9th 2008 Michael Noonan; Does the following url cover the Fogbank reference? Secret Ingredient Delays Missile Upgrade \| Danger Room from Wired.com Sincerely, Robert Marsh II / THE FIFTH KNIGHT ========================== SEO Advertisement: SEO: Search Engine Optimisation, Internet Marketing, Website Promotion Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Dec 9, 2008, 03:36 pm	#171 (permalink)
Michael Noonan Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	A cleaning agent is driving the super powers to develop smaller nuclear warheads? Fogbank is simply a code to describe a problem. Linking it to a space age aerogel is very clever. Naturally there are several uses:- aerogels are used to extract flavor in decaffeinated coffee. Considered an ultra lite building material and an insulator and at 3 to 4 times heavier than air a space age material. There is a possibility that it is a cover for the reduction required for the critical mass of nuclear warheads. Trident to be phased out early and just over a year back the UK had to move the weapons further apart to lower unacceptable background radiation sounds a lot like 'frozen smoke' being blown somewhere. It does have the attention of the nuclear scientists. If there is a problem with physics then it may be about time to consider T-symmetry and knowing the progression or at least looking for options. Either the problem is known or there is a coverup or someone in charge is too stupid to make a decision. Knowing the world today ... probably all three

Dec 10, 2008, 04:10 pm	#172 (permalink)
Michael Noonan Sedimentary Rock Posts: 22	Turning a corner If you want a logic exercise then what would be the effect of T-symmetry reversal and you can use any form of cornering or twist to avoid backing up. I recommend the angular displacement from galaxy M87 to M77. Assume the strong nuclear force is constant. Then look specifically at isotopes and which people would be most at risk. Now compare the results to Biblical Revelations with reference to women with young children and those who are pregnant. Any good scientist or mathematician could work this one out.

Dec 17, 2008, 08:13 pm	#174 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	Response To Minorwork Minorwork; Satire is Umm-Umm good, as long as I can have some of that 'Onion' for the primordial plasma 'soup': Excerpt: "Although scientists cannot travel back in time to study the primordial particle 'soup' of the very early Universe, they can do the next best thing --- recreate it." CERN LHC ALICE prepares to do just that! iSGTW Feature - ALICE prepares for data Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Dec 21, 2008, 07:37 am	#175 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC: A Tribute To All '2008' Blogs & Articles December 21st 2008 I have personally witnessed (literally) hundreds of articles, and hundreds of blogs come across my search-engine scan for CERN LHC! This is a tribute to all the 2008 blogs and articles, that parade across the Internet search-engines in a seemingly endless flow. I previously posted a 'youtube' spot, about 13 comments back (#162), so now it's blogs and articles' turn in the spotlight. Note: Most of us are aware, that not all information on the Internet is correct, or even fact-based. The following is just a 'tiny drop in the ocean' sampler: SCIENCE FACTS AND TRIVIAS.: The Large Hadron Collider Google Search: CERN LHC Articles Google Search: CERN LHC Blogs Science year in review: 2008 (ABC News in Science) Tom tol » 'Bigbang' is it test or experiment? Hi-Tech Review Center: The Large Hadron Collider - First Beam Atom Smasher Down For Two Months Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo* Last edited by Robert Marsh II; Dec 21, 2008 at 09:07 am.

Dec 21, 2008, 08:16 am	#176 (permalink)
JJ58 Molten Ash Location: lincolnshire, england Posts: 84	I would love to comment bon your writings robert but there are far too many big words in you article for me to understand it. I bet you say the word ambiguous instead of unclear too. Even the great mr hawking would have trouble getting to grips with it. Are you a politician or a psychologist by any chance?

Dec 21, 2008, 08:43 am	#177 (permalink)
Nono Throbbing Member Location: Old Europe Posts: 10,617	JJ, there are far too many over-short, misspelled words in your post for me not to laugh out loud when reading it. Even the great Mr Bush would have trouble stooping to that level. Have you recently been bitten by a rabid animal by any chance? "I wish I was as cocksure of anything as Tom Macaulay is of everything." -- Viscount Melbourne

Dec 23, 2008, 12:47 am	#178 (permalink)
Robert Marsh II The Iceman Cometh Location: Georgia Posts: 569 Blog Entries: 70	CERN LHC Named Phenomenon Of The Year December 22nd 2008 CERN Large Hadron Collider has been named 'Phenomenon Of The Year'! The Large Hadron Collider has been dubbed the "Phenomenon of the Year" by the editors of the prestigious journal Science. - swissinfo I was sure it was going to be Britney Spears this year!!! Didn't You??? Please share this customized link: "The United States Government Is Failing Its American People!": http://tinyurl.com/SaveOurGovernmentNow @ Volconvo

Dec 23, 2008, 01:11 pm	#179 (permalink)
JJ58 Molten Ash Location: lincolnshire, england Posts: 84	ok then nono if u r so cleva what do the initials DNA stand for?