Government funded Stem Cell research

[Halofan48]

If this needs to be moved, please do.

I haven't seen any threads covering government funding for stem cell research. This surprises me as I figured this would be a relatively large controversy on this. So what do you think? Should the government fund stem cell research? Should it only be privately funded? Or should it be banned altogether?

[Gods_Mercenary]

I think it matters to many people what kind of stem cell research you are implying, I don't see anyone saying that stem cell research period should be unfunded.

[Okieslims]

If it was up to Christian's, we would still be dying by the thousands from smallpox.. and their explanation would be along the lines of "God takes those who are wicked". They need to take their imaginary friend and go play and leave scientific progress alone.

[HelioPrime]

I'd wouldn't want my taxes to fund it. If people want to research then fine, let people who want to support into it donate. I wouldn't agree with private organizations either because then there is little room for oversight.

[Gods_Mercenary]

What's your problem with adult stem cell research? I can see the objection to the cloning and discarding of human life, but not to the at least as promising and far less controversial stem cell research using cells from umbilical cords and other sources.

[Barnicals]

On one hand, I would be quite happy to pay taxes for stem cell research, but I wouldn't like to donate for it. I guess I just don't like to take it out of my pay after I get it.

I'm sure some people who opposed it would find it very appealing if they found themselves wheelchair bound with stem cell research as their only hope.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: Gods_Mercenary What's your problem with adult stem cell research? I can see the objection to the cloning and discarding of human life, but not to the at least as promising and far less controversial stem cell research using cells from umbilical cords and other sources.

I'm objecting only on the basis of using my tax money to pay for it. If they institute a policy that allowed objectors to not pay taxes going in that direction then fine they can do what they like if I have no part in it.

[grandpa]

Quote by: HelioPrime I'm objecting only on the basis of using my tax money to pay for it. If they institute a policy that allowed objectors to not pay taxes going in that direction then fine they can do what they like if I have no part in it.

Okay, but why should stem cell research be the exception to a general rule? With your present answers, you are not going to be winning over a whole lot of converts.

Grandpa h.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: grandpa Okay, but why should stem cell research be the exception to a general rule? With your present answers, you are not going to be winning over a whole lot of converts. Grandpa h.

Because it would be all to easy if you allow stem cell research for people to use emotionally appealing commercials of dying children, and wheelchair cripples to try and swing the masses to accepting the use of human life for research.

That answer will win over plenty of the midwest.

I could also point out you have the same problem when it comes to self government by individuals

[gallo]

Quote by: HelioPrime I'm objecting only on the basis of using my tax money to pay for it. If they institute a policy that allowed objectors to not pay taxes going in that direction then fine they can do what they like if I have no part in it.

But I'll bet you don't mind paying your tax money to fund Bush's Faith Based Initiatives that use tax money to propagate religion and discriminate against those in need because they are of the wrong faith or apply faith requirements in hiring.

And I'll bet you don't object to the sale of Boy Scout commerative quarters at a premium and then giving the money to the Boy Scouts, an organization that discrininates on the basis of faith, gender, and sexual orientation.

[Halofan48]

Gallo, please stay on topic ok. Take those debates elsewhere if you wish. Thank you.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: gallo But I'll bet you don't mind paying your tax money to fund Bush's Faith Based Initiatives that use tax money to propagate religion and discriminate against those in need because they are of the wrong faith or apply faith requirements in hiring. And I'll bet you don't object to the sale of Boy Scout commerative quarters at a premium and then giving the money to the Boy Scouts, an organization that discrininates on the basis of faith, gender, and sexual orientation.

Off topic but do you have real evidence of this or are you just regurgitating Michelle Goldberg.

Thought so.

And what of the Boy Scout's? I was a cub scout and all we ever did was hikes, crafts, and the wooden CO2 powered racers. And when at an Eagle scouts event religion was never a part of the event.

Question: Would you be opposed to donating money to an atheist organization that discriminated against creationist and refused to hire people who were clearly fundie theists?

[GSM:Xtreme]

I'm objecting only on the basis of using my tax money to pay for it. If they institute a policy that allowed objectors to not pay taxes going in that direction then fine they can do what they like if I have no part in it.

I wish people could turn off paying taxes for something like school budgets. Old people don't have kids there anymore, and as a result our budget has been lowered 15 years running. However, with a breakthrough in stem cells, it may be you who they can help. But if you didn't pay the taxes for them, why should you be able to reap the benefits?

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: GSM:Xtreme I wish people could turn off paying taxes for something like school budgets. Old people don't have kids there anymore, and as a result our budget has been lowered 15 years running. However, with a breakthrough in stem cells, it may be you who they can help. But if you didn't pay the taxes for them, why should you be able to reap the benefits?

So because I may reap the benefits that means I should always be happy to pay taxes? It's funny how much taxes are hated when it comes to funding the US military or other government projects yet bring up stem cells or healthcare and we should all be good little socialists

[gallo]

Quote by: Halofan48 Gallo, please stay on topic ok. Take those debates elsewhere if you wish. Thank you.

Wake up and pay attention. "Those debates" were introduced in the post to which I responded. Obviously, you and HelioPrime have a skewed perspective. You argue out of one side of your mouth when your mythology based morality is offended, but out of the other when the topic deals with the theft of public money to support your mythology.

If this is off topic, then why did helio introduce it?

[Halofan48]

Ugh, gallo, i'm an atheist too. Though that does give some insight onto you. And gallo, he was saying he didnt want taxes that he spent to go to research of stem cells. You brought up the other issues. So, once more, please, do not stray from the topic at hand. If you wish to discuss said topics, take it to the appropriate threads. Don't just go "well he started it" and continue on with an off topic subject. So please, once more, stay on topic in this thread.

[gallo]

Quote by: HelioPrime Off topic...

But you lead it off topic. What is your problem? Oh. Wait. You're just imitating Halofan48's response.

but do you have real evidence of this or are you just regurgitating Michelle Goldberg.

I have no idea how anyone named Goldberg is meaningful. If you are not aware of the discriminatory hiring practices, and the denial of benefits to without religious profession that have occurred on several occasions with faith based organizations that received federal money, then you are being intentionally ignorant. And yet, a "faith based" mission in my town called The Star of Hope Mission requires no profession of faith or religious affiliation. They don't even require attendance at a church service. Guess what! No money from Bush.

Thought so.

You thought wrong. Educate yourself. The information is available. Check out how many of Bush's faith based charities have been sued for religious bias and discrimination.

And what of the Boy Scout's? I was a cub scout and all we ever did was hikes, crafts, and the wooden CO2 powered racers. And when at an Eagle scouts event religion was never a part of the event.

And how is that bit of nonsense meaningful. Are you a girl? Are you homosexual? Are you a professed atheist? I guess you are not aware that the Boy Scouts exclude all of the above, which is a violation of law.

Question: Would you be opposed to donating money to an atheist organization that discriminated against creationist and refused to hire people who were clearly fundie theists?

Yes. Without question. I am an American who believes in the principles upon which my country was founded. I believe that everyone has the right to practice their religion without interference by government, and would strongly object to such illegal discrimination by any employer. In fact, I wouldn't be inclined to donate money to an "atheist organization." What does that mean?

[gallo]

Quote by: Halofan48 Ugh, gallo, i'm an atheist too. Though that does give some insight onto you. And gallo, he was saying he didnt want taxes that he spent to go to research of stem cells. You brought up the other issues. So, once more, please, do not stray from the topic at hand. If you wish to discuss said topics, take it to the appropriate threads. Don't just go "well he started it" and continue on with an off topic subject. So please, once more, stay on topic in this thread.

So pay attention. So he doesn't want his tax money spent on an issue that he opposes. That introduces the idea of taxpayer approbation of tax expenditures. I followed that lead. He objects to tax funds spent for issues that he opposes, and yet his only reply is to clone your response about "off topic".

Again, I didn't lead the discussion off topic. Helio did. He introduced the idea of his right to object to the spending of his tax dollars. I only extended that thought to other spending of tax dollars that might be objectionable on the basis of taxpayer objections.

So, ugh, Halofan. What makes you think that I am an athiest? Moreover, why do you think it matters?

[Halofan48]

One, his comment is on topic because the government pays through things with taxes. So really it was relevant. Than you bring up things like boy scouts and the like, though related to taxes, are not related to stem cells.

2.

You argue out of one side of your mouth when your mythology based morality is offended

is what the atheist comment was about.

[gallo]

Quote by: Halofan48 One, his comment is on topic because the government pays through things with taxes.

And I brought up other things that the "government pays through...with taxes." What's the problem?

So really it was relevant. Than you bring up things like boy scouts and the like, though related to taxes, are not related to stem cells.

Whoooosh. The sound of the point going over your head.

2. is what the atheist comment was about.

So you think that is is OK to call names if someone disagrees with you? How christian!