Government funded Stem Cell research

[grandpa]

Quote by: HelioPrime Because it would be all to easy if you allow stem cell research for people to use emotionally appealing commercials of dying children, and wheelchair cripples to try and swing the masses to accepting the use of human life for research. That answer will win over plenty of the midwest.

But supporters of embryonic stem cell research don't need "emotionally appealing commercials." I'm sure they'd be just as interested in factual evidence.

Grandpa h.

[rez]

I am confused.

With the current system in place now how could stem cell research be funded by the government? Wouldn't hospitals fund stem cell research?

[ShadowFox]

Gallo, please explain how him saying he doesn't want the government to fund stem cell research with his taxes is off topic yet your comments not related to stem cell research but taxes is not.

Also, i said that i was an atheist because when i saw your argument saying that

your mythology based morality is offended

i basically was saying i'm not actually religious. I then simply said to clarify that i was in fact an atheist. I said also because from what i've seen in other debates, you appear to be one. So i'm sorry if your not. Now please, either discuss the topic gallo or don't post. This is getting way off topic.

[gallo]

Quote by: Halofan48 Gallo, please explain how him saying he doesn't want the government to fund stem cell research with his taxes is off topic yet your comments not related to stem cell research but taxes is not.

I didn't say he was off topic. Weren't you paying attention? Didn't you read the thread? Since he introduced the subject of taxpayer approval as somehow necessary, I was responding. I notice that both of you have declined to offer a reasonable response.

Also, i said that i was an atheist because when i saw your argument saying that i basically was saying i'm not actually religious. I then simply said to clarify that i was in fact an atheist.

Who cares? Please stay on topic.

I said also because from what i've seen in other debates, you appear to be one. So i'm sorry if your not.

And from what I've seen of your posts...who cares? Please stick to the topic.

Now please, either discuss the topic gallo or don't post. This is getting way off topic.

I might say the same to you. Who appointed you boss? What gives you the right to make rules for others while you violate them yourself. If you don't like what I say, then don't read it. In the future, please pay attention and read the posts before you respond to them. Then try to think before typing. And please, if you can't stick to the topic, don't post.

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: gallo And how is that bit of nonsense meaningful. Are you a girl? Are you homosexual? Are you a professed atheist? I guess you are not aware that the Boy Scouts exclude all of the above, which is a violation of law.

Ever hear of the Brownies? Or Girl Scouts?

I bet you have but you let me guess: Unfair to men? So would you say single sex only bathrooms are a violation of law? How about when a club holds "ladies nights?"

Good luck trying to promote the idea of letting boys into the Girl Scouts just because they want to wear a skirt. I sure the mothers will all applaud and back you..... not...

Yes. Without question. I am an American who believes in the principles upon which my country was founded. I believe that everyone has the right to practice their religion without interference by government, and would strongly object to such illegal discrimination by any employer. In fact, I wouldn't be inclined to donate money to an "atheist organization." What does that mean?

Now wait just a minute...

You just said in another post your opposed to organizations that discriminate based on religion. So a christian aid kitchen that only hired christians is a violation.

Yet you support atheists organizations that don't hire people because they are open creationist?

[HelioPrime]

Quote by: grandpa But supporters of embryonic stem cell research don't need "emotionally appealing commercials." I'm sure they'd be just as interested in factual evidence. Grandpa h.

The commercials would be needed. Just the same as universal healthcare. Just standing on a podium and stating stats and reports isn't going to move many already stretched american wallets into voting to support universal healthcare. What you'd need is an appeal to the heart. Commercials with wide eyed crying little girls, minorities, and the elderly, all begging for your help with creating a fair and just socialized medical system for all to enjoy.

[gallo]

Quote by: HelioPrime Ever hear of the Brownies? Or Girl Scouts? I bet you have but you let me guess: Unfair to men? So would you say single sex only bathrooms are a violation of law? How about when a club holds "ladies nights?" Good luck trying to promote the idea of letting boys into the Girl Scouts just because they want to wear a skirt. I sure the mothers will all applaud and back you..... not...

I notice that you argue this red herring so that the other examples of illegal bias will get lost. So, do you actually have a good answer?

Now wait just a minute...

Why? Did it take you that long to figure out how to phrase the following lie?

You just said in another post your opposed to organizations that discriminate based on religion. So a christian aid kitchen that only hired christians is a violation.

Not exactly. If they get government money then they are breaking the law, which is why I object to the BSA getting government money.

Yet you support atheists organizations that don't hire people because they are open creationist?

Your dishonesty is appalling. Why would you intentionally misrepresent what I said, and in fact post my very words. Or maybe you just didn't bother to read your own question or my answer.

You asked: "Question: Would you be opposed to donating money to an atheist organization that discriminated against creationist and refused to hire people who were clearly fundie theists?"

I answered: "Yes. Without question."

I would be even more strongly opposed if that atheist organization took government money.

[HelioPrime]

I notice that you argue this red herring so that the other examples of illegal bias will get lost. So, do you actually have a good answer?

A good answer to what? That hiring practices is unfair among certain organizations? Well that depends on what side of the fence your sitting on. Sorry but some organizations hire based off what the principles of the organization are.

For example I will safely bet a Jewish youth after school program at a Jewish community center would not hire an open holocaust denier. Is that illegal technically? Yes perhaps, but demanding they hire someone like that would only bring conflict and negativity.

Not exactly. If they get government money then they are breaking the law, which is why I object to the BSA getting government money.

Well glad that's cleared up. But in the name of fairness are you honestly suggesting we promote the addition of people who would clearly cause conflict? Or let me guess: Is such personal preferences not a concern of following the law? So hire then and only afterwards take action if they prove an issue within the organization?

[Pooeypants]

I am going to count to 3 and then everyone goes back to posting about this topic. 1, 2, 3...