Artificial Life (Computer based):

[SoylentGreen]

Kuldeep Which of the two starts initiating, nobody till has known.

Which is why it a question of eastern existentialism or western materialism.

If you feel there is no third party involved that is your choice to be away from the reality.

Or yours, as I think it was you who once referred to the possibility of differing realities.

But go and see literature on reincarnation and memories from past lives, you would get an idea of third THAT party, the metaphysical mind and super consciousness SELF, which have carried forward past memories of physical mind to next physical brain/body.

Yea I think that happened in the last Harry Potter book.
I have a public library within walking distance that has shelves of these books.

Again BEING is self awareness of whom ??? That whom is the real BEING !!!

Tautology, the BEING is self aware of him self. The whom (himself) is the real BEING that is self aware.

Living animals die when head (brain) is cut but not when other parts are cut. Same way plant dies when roots are cut but when other parts are cut. S I deduce plant's bain must lie in the roots.

A living animal is an evolutionary step up from plants.
They are an organism designed into distinct organs. Whereas a plant is a simpler cellular structure. A brain cannot form in a tree because its cells are not made to form differing organs.

Plant consciousness and its mind is not yet even to be imagined

Certainly not by me.

[grandpa]

Quote by: SoylentGreen Which is why it a question of eastern existentialism or western materialism.

I never thought it was "Western" materialism or "Eastern" existentialism. The West has had many existentialists.

Grandpa h.

[SoylentGreen]

Quote by: grandpa I never thought it was "Western" materialism or "Eastern" existentialism. The West has had many existentialists. Grandpa h.

There has been a blending of the two over the years it's not exclusive. But in as far as there is a difference between what can be labeled western civilisation and eastern, philosophy is one of the major differences.

[leegao]

Consciousness is not a necessity of life.

There is already considerable developments into this field of Artificial Life. One notable project I remember reading a few years ago comes to mind, the Progranism Project.

Here's a brief overview:
If life can spawn out of natures imperfection, then if we introduce these same imperfections to a perfect machine, can we not replicate life?
So the creator of this project set out to create a program, which after a certain amount of time would create a duplicate version of itself with the addition of a minor modification to its coding structure. The code itself is beyond the scope of this post but I will generalize the effects of the mutation.
There are 3 switch clauses in the program, one for adding a byte to the program, one to delete a byte, and one that alters a byte in the program.
The testing was fairly straight forward. Everyday he would start his machine, run the most recent "Progranisms" and come back 2 hours later, shut down all the processes, and choose the 800 most recent programs to keep while deleting everything else to simulate natural selection.
The results of these tests were astounding. The original progranisms were created with a 60 second delay in between reproduction, the new ones have mutated to having only 10 seconds in between. It originally created only 2 copies of itself, it now creates 3. There was a control file before where if present, all of the processes will automatically shut themselves down. 100% of the new progranisms does not have this function. And the most amazing of all, the progranisms began to develop the ability to delete other progranisms, traverse between directories, and renaming themselves. All in all it's a very fascinating project and it proves that while it's still a long way from real artificial life, we can already replicate some of the fundamental processes of evolution artificially.

[Kuldeep]

So, from that example how you define true life ???

[grandpa]

Quote by: SoylentGreen There has been a blending of the two over the years it's not exclusive. But in as far as there is a difference between what can be labeled western civilisation and eastern, philosophy is one of the major differences.

Of course, we're missing context for this discussion.

A lot of this is about opinion, I'm afraid. If 99.9% of the population believes
nakedness in front of the opposite sex is sexual, then it is. The same could be said of what is alive and what is not. There are differences of opinion. At the same time, we shouldn't
assume that because there is more than one view they must all be
right. With genetic research, we know great differences can come
down to a single gene. But could we have that discussion about machines?

Grandpa h.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Kuldeep So, from that example how you define true life ???

That's the thing: We aren't talking about true life, but "artificial life," as the very term suggests. It's only so much mysticism, only with a high-tech twist.

Grandpa h.

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: grandpa That's the thing: We aren't talking about true life, but "artificial life," as the very term suggests. It's only so much mysticism, only with a high-tech twist. Grandpa h.

I thank you Grandpa for support to my point. You acted like a Grandpa for me, though you might be younger to me...I am only 58 year old young man at mind.

[grandpa]

Quote by: Kuldeep I thank you Grandpa for support to my point. You acted like a Grandpa for me, though you might be younger to me...

No problem.

Grandpa h.