Are Time and Space Real?

[Rainbow]

Quote by: Tycoon Distance isn't real either. An inch is a specific distance between two points, correct ? The inch doesn't really exist, what makes up that inch does. The whole point of this was to prove that time and space are not physical things. That time travel would therefore be impossible.

#1
Does it mean that a space between 2 points, is :
- environment, yet unknown specification to Homo Sapiens
???

#2
Why ?
It seems to be irrelevant whether Homo Sapiens correctly and/or in-correctly percieves the Environment, as long as that perception matches and/or comply with the Environment's requirements, conditions, etc.

[Rainbow]

Quote by: MplsBison Everything in our reality is only a perception of what we think it is.

Leibnitz theory ?

[Morality Games]

According to the standard definition of existence, space does exist because it is a comprehensible objective. We sense there is matter and then sense there is an emptiness between forms of matter -- both the density of matter and the emptiness of space are perceptible features of the world about which things can be thought about and said by observors.

Space only doesn't exist if you assume emptiness equates with nothingness, which it does not -- emptiness is comprehensible while nothingness is incomprehensible (people mistake emptiness for nothingness and term it 'nothingness' -- however, there is a distinct difference -- what probably happens to your mind after you die and the empty state of space are too diverse conditions).

Materialists *@#*@$! language.

Or put simply.

Feature is the sole criteria for existence.

The opposite of existence is nothingness.

Therefore, nothingness is a lack of features.

Space has the feature of emptiness.

Therefore, space exists.

Moreover (although this is more speculative):

The mind cannot make sense of an objective which lacks features.

So nothingness is incomprehensible (unthinkable) except in that it is the alternative to existence.

This is why people mistake 'emptiness', which is comprehensible, with 'nothingness' -- they have an intuitive awareness of 'nothingness' but cannot reconcile this feeling with any feature of existence except the bare minimum, emptiness, so emptiness is falsely considered equable with nothingness

[MplsBison]

I think a better way to put it is that space is anywhere that matter has the potential to exist.


IE, anywhere that matter can not exist is absent of space.

[Morality Games]

That is more of a function than a feature. The feature of 'being empty' confers upon space the potentiality (something it can do on basis of what it is) that it can be occupied by matter. (aka, empty space has the potentiality of being filled, filled space has no potentiality to be filled, just actuality).

Feature must come before function, so when speaking of whether or not something exists, it is more constructive to consider it in terms of feature.

[MplsBison]

Both space and whatever is outside the universe can be said to be empty, though.

[Affinity]

Quote by: Tycoon First of all, note that I am not using any sources here, only logic. If you think everything I say is complete bull then just explain why. This debate started in the thread on time traveling, and we decided to make a new thread on the subject. My position is that time and space are not real, they are merely human systems..

Time is a form of measurement, saying that time does not exist is like saying an inch does not exist. I don't fully understand your basis for saying space does not exist.

[Piscean]

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[quote]First of all, note that I am not using any sources here, only logic. If you think everything I say is complete bull then just explain why. This debate started in the thread on time traveling, and we decided to make a new thread on the subject.

My position is that time and space are not real, they are merely human systems.

To be more specific,
Time is a system used to define what occurs inbetween two events.
Space is a system used to define what kind and how much matter exists in a given area.

For example, you could take a ruler and measure part of something to find an inch. The inch doesn't exist, it's what is in that inch that exists.[/QUOTE

Time and space are like illusions, atleast the way we define them.

[crazydiamond]

read the hitchhikers guide to the galaxy series by douglas adams i think it in the second book and interesting charicter is introduced as the man who controls the universe, at first you may think the charicter is a nut but the things he says is impressive he puts your what ia real question out the window, that is if there ever was a question,is the person who asked it real?did the same guy make the window? is the window and the view it provides all real?

[Anmon]

Pain is the answer, it puts you in touch with reality.

[Jagged]

Quote by: Affinity Time is a form of measurement, saying that time does not exist is like saying an inch does not exist. I don't fully understand your basis for saying space does not exist.

I don't see how time is a form of measurement. From our perspectives, time occurs. The best way i can manifest it in words is that we think about it as the mechanism which allows things to convert to different states, all in series relativistic to eachother. Anybody read that?

Quote by: MplsBison I think a better way to put it is that space is anywhere that matter has the potential to exist. IE, anywhere that matter can not exist is absent of space.

This would correspond to the non-relativistic concept of space: like the kind programmed in computers. Although i definitely dont understand relativity intuitively, I think the majority of posters here need to understand that (space, time, and matter) in the universe we live in should not be considered as completely separate entities when thinking about things this abstractly. General understanding of space-time fabric is necessary.