The Cloning Question...

[Dr.Vendetta]

Cloning. I'm surprised this isn't already a thread somewhere on the site.

Where should the limits on cloning be put?
Should we be cloning at all?
Should cloning humans ever become reality, which it probably will, should we do it?
Do the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of cloning?

[Domino]

I think we should establish as law, now, before the situation ever arises, that any clone of a human must be given all the same rights as any other human. That done, the specifics of how or whether it happens doesn't really matter to me.

[ruksak]

Quote by: Domino I think we should establish as law, now, before the situation ever arises, that any clone of a human must be given all the same rights as any other human. That done, the specifics of how or whether it happens doesn't really matter to me.

Why don't cha just suck all the fun out of cloning there Dr Killjoy? I want a clone of myself that I can physically abuse as a means to overcome my self esteem issues.

[Domino]

All you have to do is convince your clone to agree to it. He ought to believe as you, right? Just show your scars to prove that you're the original, and the other you will quietly submit to his fate.

[Kuldeep]

Me and my clone are never the same person, as far as individuality is concerned. Both have their own individuality sense of personality. It is only appearence, which is identical. So, cloning has no specific advantage, rather it would creat lot of confusions and controversies in the society. Crime would increase and it would extremely difficult to punish the culprit.

In view of this, I suggest that genetic engineering should be limited to stem cell research for medical scientific advantage. Creation of number of identical persons in lots have only and only disadvaantages, so should be strictly banned.

[Dr.Vendetta]

I don't really think it should be legal to clone humans, except for a medical condition, because it would just cause problems, and we could avoid protesting and riots by just not doing it. I mean, what good is it going to do to just clone yourself for the fun of it? If the process of cloning ever gets perfected and becomes cheap, then we could do a great deal with cloning animals. Besides, if we cloned humans, then every time a loved one would die, they would just clone him back to life, and that would cause a lot of problems too.

[Domino]

If I never find the right girl to make babies with, I'd be happy to raise a clone of myself. Essentially, just give myself a fresh start with a leg-up. I'll try very, very hard not to name him Boba.

[Kuldeep]

Oh God !

Why you guys are not concentrating !!

Quote by: Kuldeep Me and my clone are never the same person, as far as individuality is concerned.

I am Kuldeep and when my clone is named Kuldeep. I very well know I am not clone and clone also knows he is not actual Kuldeep. Only people would get confused.

So as said earlier as well, human cloning should be banned right now. Animal cloning though won't matter much to world society, fun can carry on. But also, Stem cell research for medical advantages should continue to progress and prosper.

[EnragedParrot]

I sure hope cloning should be allowed. Because if not, my brother and I are in trouble.

And Dr.Vendetta, I find the idea that my existence should be illegal kind of offensive. Why do you think that?

[Dr.Vendetta]

Well, I did say that it was ok to clone animals, and I think an EnragedParrot falls into that category...

And I'm sure that if there are any human clones out there before legislation is passed about limiting cloning, they are not going to go out on a man-hunt, chasing down and killing any clones.

[atheist]

IMO:

okay to clone specific organs (not actual humans)

waste of time and money

we'll be too busy, learning how to 'save the environment' when it's too late and all, to waste resources on cloning

if a human IS cloned it'll probably die within the year. this would be really unethical and soon you'll have angry crowds/media on the prowl

[Halofan48]

Technically, human clones already exist. They are called identical twins (or triplets, etc.) I think that for now, animal cloning and perhaps the cloning of human organs, not the person itself, should be allowed. If we do clone humans, for whatever reason, we will have to realize possible drawbacks and find a way around them, while also giving the clones equal rights.

[gallo]

Quote by: Dr.Vendetta Where should the limits on cloning be put? Should we be cloning at all?

Shouldn't all cloning be banned? No one should be allowed to clone anything, ever. There should be no cloning of roses, tulips, or potatoes. Never should apples, oranges, or cherries be cloned. After all, these things are much too cheap and they should be grown naturally, no matter what the price. Let's not even talk about tomatoes and GM agriculture.

Should cloning humans ever become reality, which it probably will, should we do it?

Why? It appears that we are producing enough humans already without cloning. Besides, cloning isn't nearly as much fun as producing more humans naturally - well...except for the delivery room part.

Do the benefits outweigh the drawbacks of cloning?

Of cloning what?

[Halofan48]

Quote by: gallo Shouldn't all cloning be banned? No one should be allowed to clone anything, ever. There should be no cloning of roses, tulips, or potatoes. Never should apples, oranges, or cherries be cloned. After all, these things are much too cheap and they should be grown naturally, no matter what the price. Let's not even talk about tomatoes and GM agriculture.

Why? Explain why we should not do these things.

Of cloning what?

I would assume anything for any reason.

[gallo]

Quote by: Kuldeep I am Kuldeep and when my clone is named Kuldeep. I very well know I am not clone and clone also knows he is not actual Kuldeep. Only people would get confused.

But what a great idea for a scifi movie! Clone Kuldeep somehow escapes and through an hour and a half of of on screen intrigue he convinces the powers that be that he is the actual Kuldeep. Thus, real Kuldeep is returned to the clone compound as an organ resource for clone Kuldeep, in case of cancer or some fatal organic failure.

But also, Stem cell research for medical advantages should continue to progress and prosper.

Yeah, but that's the rational view.

[gallo]

Quote by: Halofan48 Why? Explain why we should not do these things.

If I stick my tongue in cheek any farther I'm going to bite it off. Everything I mentioned is cloned, and has been cloned for longer than I can remember, not to mention more recent genetic modification (GM) of many agricultural products (tomatoes, carrots, radishes, beets, corn, etc.).

I would assume anything for any reason.

So your clone as a backup in case you need a perfect match for transplant tissues and organs in the future? Good idea.

[Halofan48]

Quote by: Halofan48 Why? Explain why we should not do these things.

Quote by: gallo If I stick my tongue in cheek any farther I'm going to bite it off. Everything I mentioned is cloned, and has been cloned for longer than I can remember, not to mention more recent genetic modification (GM) of many agricultural products (tomatoes, carrots, radishes, beets, corn, etc.).

This still isn't answering my question, it's just repeating what you had said before. why SHOULD we stop cloning and making GM plants? I can think of a few reasons, but I want to know yours. So why should we stop doing that, what is the negative effect?

I don't think anyone wants to clone like that. I think the way people want cloning to occur is to have the organs grown in a lab, not cloning the entire person. If we can do this or not is yet to be seen.

[gallo]

Quote by: Halofan48 This still isn't answering my question, it's just repeating what you had said before. why SHOULD we stop cloning and making GM plants? I can think of a few reasons, but I want to know yours. So why should we stop doing that, what is the negative effect? I don't think anyone wants to clone like that. I think the way people want cloning to occur is to have the organs grown in a lab, not cloning the entire person. If we can do this or not is yet to be seen.

Then you have now answered you own question and there in no longer any reason to try to answer.

All the best to you.

[SoylentGreen]

Have any of you seen a movie called The Island with Ewan McGregor and Scarlet Johanssen?

[Kuldeep]

Quote by: gallo But what a great idea for a scifi movie! Clone Kuldeep somehow escapes and through an hour and a half of of on screen intrigue he convinces the powers that be that he is the actual Kuldeep. Thus, real Kuldeep is returned to the clone compound as an organ resource for clone Kuldeep, in case of cancer or some fatal organic failure.

Your I - d - e - a is really wonderful but, as long it holds on to movie !

But when it would be aspplied to real life., please have some conmpassion for poor unlucky real Kuldeep. Such trouble was not in my mind at all. I must be thankful to you to point it out.

Your idea would caution ALL and advocate me to shout at the top of my pitch to stongly ban human cloning

Though there are movies made on identical twins, which in a way are very near to clones only.

Yeah, but that's the rational view.

Rationality should be agreed and implimented !!