global warming? its getting colder!

[gallo]

Quote by: Nemiroff I'm from new York city and there were no heat waves last year, nothing out of the ordinary as far as heat goes, it was actually pretty mild at times barely went above 100

Quote by: Nemiroff However the winters are getting worse, last year it didn't snow til late January, this year we had a white thanksgiving

How is the weather in New York indicative of a global trend? So because New York has not been extremely hot or extremely cold for a couple of years, it isn't possible that the polar ice is melting? It was melting in the mid 60s when I was in Greenland. The previous extent of the ice cap was obvious. From what I have been able to learn, it has retreated far more today (Google Earth makes it obvious - I knew where it was then and I see where it is now). Whether you believe it or like it, the earth is warming. There is less and less pack ice at the North Pole. The Greenland and Antarctic glaciers are shrinking.

The only question is why. Is it a natural cycle (are we still coming out of the ice age of 10,000 years ago?)? Of course, there have been a couple of mini-ice ages in just the last few hundred years, one around the time of the American Revolution. Nevertheless, data indicates that the mean temperature of the earth has increased in the last 200 years, that coincides with the industrial revolution.

The question isn't whether the earth is warming, The question is why and what are we going to do about it. If it is an increased sun cycle, what can we do? But greenhouse gasses certainly won't help.

[EnragedParrot]

Quote by: Nemiroff Why is it getting colder when it supposedly should be getting hotter? Or at least show me where its getting hotter!

Not problem. Here, Nemiroff, is proof of a warming planet:



It is quite obviously not getting colder.

[Nemiroff]

I got all the facts and I know my trend can be local, that's why before I start dreaming up conspiracies I want to find how the trends are going around where other people live. I've seen all the charts, can't people just look outside and think for themselves.

We're also half way to another ice age, and global warming need not be the only factor affecting our climate. I'm not arguing either way I'm just suspicious and would like to compare actual first hand data to a consensus.

[aaronssongs]

Quote by: Nemiroff Um, thank you century for your great analogy and your common knowledge of basic global warming principals, but I have yet to see anyone post saying its getting hotter. As far as I can tell, that whole lake your talking about is 12 feet and their just lying to you! And yes geology affects the climate, but in what way? is it making it hotter? Colder? Is it causing? Curing? Or completely unrelated to global warming? The geology question really does not relate to the topic. The topic is: Why is it getting colder when it supposedly should be getting hotter? Or at least show me where its getting hotter! Unless of course someone goes into a detailed explanation as to how the changes to the earth have been causing cooling despite the warming effects of man caused global warming

The geology question does not relate to the topic?????????????

Vic Camp - volcano climate effects
THE INFLUENCE OF VOLCANIC ERUPTIONS ON
THE OZONE, GREENHOUSE, AND HAZE EFFECTS

Volcanic eruptions can enhance all three of these climate effects to variable degrees. They contribute to ozone depletion, as well as to both cooling and warming of the earth's atmosphere

The global average air temperature near the Earth's surface rose 0.74 ± 0.18 °C (1.33 ± 0.32 °F) during the last 100 years. The Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC) concludes "most of the observed increase in globally averaged temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations"[1] via the greenhouse effect. Natural phenomena such as solar variation combined with volcanoes probably had a small warming effect from pre-industrial times to 1950 and a small cooling effect from 1950 onward.[2][3] These basic conclusions have been endorsed by at least 30 scientific societies and academies of science, including all of the national academies of science of the major industrialized countries. While individual scientists have voiced disagreement with some of the main conclusions of the IPCC, the overwhelming majority of scientists working on climate change are in agreement with them.[4]

Climate model projections summarized by the IPCC indicate that average global surface temperature will likely rise a further 1.1 to 6.4 °C (2.0 to 11.5 °F) during the 21st century.[1] The range of values results from the use of differing scenarios of future greenhouse gas emissions as well as models with differing climate sensitivity. Although most studies focus on the period up to 2100, warming and sea level rise are expected to continue for more than a millennium even if greenhouse gas levels are stabilized. The delay in reaching equilibrium is a result of the large heat capacity of the oceans.[1]

Kinda spells it out, in no uncertain terms.

[shawmutt]

Quote by: Nemiroff How did this become a topic about earth dynamics? I just wanted to know if its getting colder or warmer where everyone lives, I have yet to hear of an area getting warmer in the recent years. I am not saying global warming is fake, I'm just questioning it based on personal observations.

I rode my motorcycle through much of winter last year. Considering I'll only ride if it's 32F or above at night (my commute is 3rd shift), it was a pretty warm winter last year. This year, not so lucky.

However, considering that my state makes up about 0.02% of the area of the entire Earth, I'll make sure to check other data before making assertions about global warming as a whole

[aaronssongs]

It was in the 70's, yesterday, December 21st, in Houston, Texas.....normally, the high would be in the 40's, and near-freezing at night, at this time.....we should have seen a least a week or two of temperatures in the '20's...so, what would be the conclusion to draw?

[EnragedParrot]

Quote by: Nemiroff I got all the facts and I know my trend can be local, that's why before I start dreaming up conspiracies I want to find how the trends are going around where other people live. I've seen all the charts, can't people just look outside and think for themselves. We're also half way to another ice age, and global warming need not be the only factor affecting our climate. I'm not arguing either way I'm just suspicious and would like to compare actual first hand data to a consensus.

Oh. Well, temperatures yesterday were in the upper 70's here in Texas. Normally this time of year, temperatures are in the mid 50's and upper 40's. I can draw two conclusions from this:

a. Global warming is accelerating at a rate far beyond what scientists have predicted.

b. The temperature in my backyard doesn't tell me jack about global temperatures.

Which is it?

[Nemiroff]

"There are more than a million whitetail deer in Minnesota, and due to recent mild winters the population is nearing record numbers"

Here is a post from the animal rights thread that supports global warming, although one incident can't speak for the entire earth, such as the mild summers I was talking about in nyc.

For the last time I've seen the data, I'm looking for what people see outside.

[Nono]

Quote by: Nemiroff How did this become a topic about earth dynamics?

Well, a thread making claims that fly in the face of scientific observation is a thread soon derailed.

[Nemiroff]

Well, a thread making claims that fly in the face of scientific observation is a thread soon derailed.

Claims that fly in the face of scientific observation?!? i just wanted to compare scientific observation to what we all see outside!!!! why is challenging the consensus so hard for you people, i even said i am not arguing either way, or is everyone on this thread so dense?

fine take it all on good faith, i usually believe the consensus as well because its too much work to work everything out. but i noticed a pattern that was contrary to the consensus and wanted to ask and compare

but you people are truly turning science into a religion....this may well be the death of science as we know it, DRONES

[xyzer]

arons..post this..

Climate model projections summarized by the IPCC indicate that average global surface temperature will likely rise a further 1.1 to 6.4 °C (2.0 to 11.5 °F) during the 21st century.[1] The range of values results from the use of differing scenarios of future greenhouse gas emissions as well as models with differing climate sensitivity. Although most studies focus on the period up to 2100, warming and sea level rise are expected to continue for more than a millennium even if greenhouse gas levels are stabilized. The delay in reaching equilibrium is a result of the large heat capacity of the oceans.[1]

And yet I read this..

Staff scientists at the National Center for Atmospheric Research, Boulder, Colorado 80307 The observed interannual variability of temperature at 60°N has been investigated. The results indicate that the surface warming due to increased carbon dioxide which is predicted by three-dimensional climate models should be detectable now. It is not, possibly because the predicted warming is being delayed more than a decade by ocean thermal inertia, or because there is a compensating cooling due to other factors. Further consideration of the uncertainties in model predictions and of the likely delays introduced by ocean thermal inertia extends the range of time for the detection of warming, if it occurs, to the year 2000. The effects of increasing carbon dioxide should be looked for in several variables simultaneously in order to minimize the ambiguities that could result from unrecognized compensating cooling.

Detecting Climate Change due to Increasing Carbon Dioxide -- Madden and Ramanathan 209 (4458): 763 -- Science

Could it just be that the climate modelsused by the UN Panels are in doubt? The opposite has occurred(actual measurement does not equal the models predictions) so what they predicted as likely did not occur? And this shows there could be other factors that are more important than anthropogenic emissions affecting our climate? Why can't we just admit we dont know enough yet?

[Pooeypants]

Quote by: xyzer arons..post this.. And yet I read this.. Detecting Climate Change due to Increasing Carbon Dioxide -- Madden and Ramanathan 209 (4458): 763 -- Science Could it just be that the climate modelsused by the UN Panels are in doubt? The opposite has occurred(actual measurement does not equal the models predictions) so what they predicted as likely did not occur? And this shows there could be other factors that are more important than anthropogenic emissions affecting our climate? Why can't we just admit we dont know enough yet?

I'm not going to draw too deeply into this, but you do realise that the article you cited is from 1980, that it is 27 years old? Would you like to remould your argument with a slightly more up to date source?