Solution to Global Warming and Foreign Oil Dependance --> 2 Technologies

[GHook93]

Enviromission:

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EnviroMission Limited - Solar Tower, Large Scale Renewable Energy, Climate Change, Green House Gas Emissions, CO2, Global Warming, Fossil Fuels, Green Energy

2007 Annual Report The Solar Mission Project is the realisation of large-scale clean green renewable energy generation from the world’s first 200MW solar thermal power station using innovative Solar Tower technology. One 200MW power station will provide enough electricity to around 200,000 typical Australian households and will abate over 900,000 tonnes of greenhouse producing gases from entering the environment annually. The monolithic scale of the project is sure to attract world attention and add value to the construction of the power station through tourism and associated economic benefits. The Prototype Solar Tower technology has been tested and proven with a successful small-scale pilot plant constructed in Manzanares Spain. The pilot project was the result of collaboration between the Spanish Government and the German designers, Schlaich Bergermann and Partner. The plant operated for seven years between 1982 and 1989, and consistently generated 50kW output of green energy. The pilot plant conclusively proved the concept works and provided data for design modifications to achieve greater commercial and economic benefits associated with an increased scale of economy.

Renewable Solar power to replace non-renewable fossil fuels. On modern marvels it was estimated that 650 of these would be enough to power the whole US. Obvious one would need to be in Hawaii and AK respectfully, but NV, AZ, TX, etc. have plenty of room and a ton of sunlight year round.

The MDI Air Car - The World´s Cleanest Car.

Guy Negre has developed an engine that could become one of the biggest technological advances of this century. Its application to Compressed Air Technology(CAT) vehicles gives them significant economical and environmental advantages. With the incorporation of bi-energy (compressed air + fuel) the CAT Vehicles have increased their driving range to close to 2000 km with zero pollution in cities and considerably reduced pollution outside urban areas. The application of the MDI engine in other areas, outside the automotive sector, opens a multitude of possibilities in nautical fields, co-generation, auxiliary engines, electric generators groups, etc. Compressed air is a new viable form of power that allows the accumulation and transport of energy. MDI is very close to initiating the production of a series of engines and vehicles. The company is financed by the sale of manufacturing licenses and patents all over the world.

Renewable inexpensive compressed air to replace non-renewable expensive gasoline. The cars are ugly, but so are all the cars in Europe (they really don't look much different) and don't drive as fast. However, there are 0 emissions with these cars and they rely on a renewable, non-foreign fuel.


These 2 inventions move us to renewable non-polluting energy! What are we waiting for?

[Osborn F Enready]

There are many answers, not just two.

Solar and wind power have long been part of the equation, much as hemp as long been ignored for its obvious value into this equation.

There are many answers.

[grandpa]

There are also organic methods of plastic production.

Grandpa h.

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready There are many answers, not just two. Solar and wind power have long been part of the equation, much as hemp as long been ignored for its obvious value into this equation. There are many answers.

I agree there is no reason not to use hemp!

But solar power has never been used like this! Yes it will take a lot of room and money. But we have the room and the money will be made back in a short time. Watch how you energy bill remains steady and remain low!

Compressed air is the answer to oil. Wouldn't it be great to tell Chavez you can take your oil threats and shove them up you arse and then watch the Venezuelian economy collaspe at warp speed? We could also tell OPEC your influence over us is nullified! Then we could tell the environmentalist, whether global warming is real or not, we have taken unprecedented steps toward reducing green house gases. There will also be no storage of compressed air. It is 100% renewable! Fueling your car won't be a major expense and it will be predictable!

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready There are many answers, not just two. Solar and wind power have long been part of the equation, much as hemp as long been ignored for its obvious value into this equation. There are many answers.

Yet we are staying with status quo. Buring gas (oil) and buring fossil fuels, most coal and natural gas (and no not the one's from your annus)!

[Osborn F Enready]

Do you have your own home power yet Ghook?

Solar power, wind power?

Why are you part of the problem, and not part of the answer?

[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Do you have your own home power yet Ghook?

Nope!

Solar power, wind power?

Though I trying to convince the wife to do solar plates on the roof! Easier said than done!

Why are you part of the problem, and not part of the answer?

Well if the enviromission was implemented, we would all be part of the solution! I am looking out for everyone!

[Century 25]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready There are many answers, not just two. Solar and wind power have long been part of the equation, much as hemp as long been ignored for its obvious value into this equation. There are many answers.

Yes.. there is no doubt of us being able to turn that problem around, but the doubt is finding a leader.. a President.. that could push the needed bill's through the barriers in place via the MIC. We know people that will kill you for pocket change.. cut your throat for a dollar. Think of what "interested parties" will do to keep their billions (trillions, collectively) - flowing in..?

Here is an easy start.. we all can do this: Lights Out America


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[GHook93]

Quote by: Osborn F Enready Do you have your own home power yet Ghook? Solar power, wind power?

Below is what I do!

Quote by: Century 25 Here is an easy start.. we all can do this: Lights Out America

Here are top energy saving tips from Century 25's website:

Top 7 Energy-Saving TipsSwitch to compact fluorescent light bulbs.

(1) Take public transportation.

After work, I take public transportation (the train) downtown to get to school.

(2) Plant a tree.

We build new construction, on my property is 4-5 new trees

(3) Unplug appliances not in use.

We do this as a matter of safety!

(4) Vote green

I voted Gore and Kerry and staying as far from the Radical Paul the environmental Nazi as possible

(5) Replace old appliances.

Can't say I always do this.

(6) Use less water.

Couldn't say I have do this with a straight face!

(7) Switch to compact fluorescent light bulbs.

Something I will consider!

I can't believe recycle was on the list!

[grandpa]

Of course, another solution is to refrain from using technology (like driving).

Grandpa h.

[Osborn F Enready]

gramps said: Of course, another solution is to refrain from using technology (like driving).

Hell, why not just stop using technology all together? maybe people could just die, and protect the enviroment.

Silly me, I thought technology was part of bettering mankind.

[Century 25]

Quote by: grandpa Of course, another solution is to refrain from using technology (like driving). Grandpa h.

Depends on what you drive.

We use mainly fluorescent lights & some LED's for task lighting. But, soon we may be able to make even more drastic cuts in energy use.. the LED's are about ready to replace even area lighting. This from: OSRAM Research Team Wins German Future Prize for LED Lighting Technology | Reuters

SANTA CLARA, Calif.--(Business Wire)--For outstanding research work on innovative lighting technologies, Dr. Klaus Streubel and Dr. Stefan Illek from OSRAM Opto Semiconductors, together with Dr. Andreas Brauer from the Fraunhofer Institute for Optics and Precision Engineering in Jena, were awarded this year's prize for technology and innovation from the President of Germany. The German Future Prize for 2007 was awarded specifically for thin-film chip technology and its application in the OSTAR(R) family of LEDs. Thin-film technology is the key to producing LED chips of extremely high brightness and also enables them to be packed tightly together to create a large illuminating surface. High-efficiency light emitting diodes from OSRAM that are based on this innovative technology will open up new applications ranging from mini projectors and rear projection televisions to night vision systems in vehicles and general room lighting. LEDs can already be used, for example, in the headlights and taillights of automobiles, providing excellent visibility and giving automobile manufacturers enormous freedom to create new designs. For the 2007 German Future Prize awarded by the German President Horst Kohler, the judges were looking not only for exceptional technical, engineering and scientific achievements, but also for practical applications, marketability and job creation. "We are proud of the fact that our creativity and determination will speed up the triumphal march of LED lighting," said Dr. Klaus Streubel, the spokesman for the winning team.

Also, we xeriscape and use sunscreens to decrease use of AC.

Then there is the use of natural daylight, brought into the house via fiber-optics. Much can be done to slash energy use.. and it is not a new technology.. but the "industry" as usual.. continues to use money making methods for construction of the average home. In other words.. they build shit. If you look at how corporations build their office buildings.. they don't build with a need for constant maintenance.. they use materials that are strong & last. They use concrete, glass & steel.

Who in their right mind would spend hundreds of thousands of $$$ on a home.. and then put crappy wood on top, with shingles that flutter and blow away.. and begin to erode as soon as they are exposed to the elements..??

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[nerdvincent]

We need to use bikes, LEDs and we need to be less greedy.

[Elminister]

I cannot agree with the term "renewable" when speaking of wind or solar power harnesing. These two pools of power suffer no loss due to our use of it thus "renewing" is a quirky catch phrase that, somehow, leaves me insulted when applied.

This little rant is not directed at the thread opener but the powers that be that strive to "dumb down" society.

[xyzer]

Nowhere did I see the cost and efficiency of such an energy supplants? Oil is still the cheapest energy source we have and we must continue to use it until something as cheap and efficient comes along? I notice the new Australian Prime Minister recoiled in his tracks about warming when he was confronted with the costs in trying to combat it?

You see it all stems from the dubious belief that warming is increasing due to humans contributions to the CO2 levels? A fallacy that wont go away as long as the climate terrorists keep filling the airwaves with BS?

[Derach]

[quote=xyzer;461239]Oil is still the cheapest energy source we have and we must continue to use it until something as cheap and efficient comes along?QUOTE]

If this is a question, the answer is a resounding NO! We shouldn't wait until something cheaper and more efficient is dropped into our laps ... we must be pro-active and encouraging of the research and development of new technologies ...

Oil is cheaper in most cases right now and we certainly shouldn't stop oil use in the foreseeable future, but it is only prudent to explore not only more sources of oil, but to expand the use of renewable energy sources. Even sources that are proven to be more efficient and cheaper than oil have been limited in use (hydro-electric) because of political lobbying and the influence of the coal/oil industries.

It is important to find alternate energy sources not only for environmental concerns, but geo-political ones as well ... right now, oil revenue is funding most of the terrorism that is occuring ... limiting that would be a more tangible benefit than the CO2 levels in the atmosphere.

[xyzer]

Derach...You say No?

I say check out this revelation?
Townhall.com::The Truth About "Alternative Energy"::By Roy Innis

Alternative energy sources may not be so cheap though I agree we should make the effort to develop some new ones.

Power plants fueled by coal are far less polluting than 30 years ago. Just since 1998, their annual sulfur dioxide and nitrogen oxide emissions have declined another 28% and 43% respectively, according to air quality expert Joel Schwartz – and new rules will eliminate most remaining emissions by 2015.

By the way we have several hundred years supply of coal that remains untapped?

By 2020, the United States will need 100,000 megawatts of new electricity, say EIA, industry and utility company analysts. Unreliable wind power simply cannot meet these demands. Wind farms require subsidies and vast stretches of land. To meet New York City’s electricity needs alone would require blanketing the entire state of Connecticut with towering turbines,

Solar power may be OK for local use but is it practical for larger power generation?

[Derach]

xyzer - you implied that something cheaper and more efficient (economically, as opposed to geo-politically, or environmentally) will 'come along'. My point is that things don't just 'come along' ... it takes time for new technologies to become economically efficient for widespread public use (cars, air-travel, appliances, cable TV ... all were expensive and inefficient in their inceptions).

We are in a unique time, and the energy crisis is a unique situation. Power is a necessity to civilization, it is not a luxury that should be controlled by oil companies, terrorists, or dictatorial governments. To supply power with a consciousness not only to the expense at which it is produced, but to the environmental and political ramifications that using the current technologies has is vital to extend the lifetime of reliable fossil fuels for 'cheap' power in the future.

Every opportunity to use renewable energy should be exploited to offset the dependancy on fossil fuels, but the reality is that fossil fuels will be the lifeline of power for every society in the world for at least another century. But we need to prepare for life beyond that as well.

[GHook93]

Quote by: grandpa Of course, another solution is to refrain from using technology (like driving). Grandpa h.

Not a viable or realistic solution!

[Osborn F Enready]

Derach said: If this is a question, the answer is a resounding NO! We shouldn't wait until something cheaper and more efficient is dropped into our laps ... we must be pro-active and encouraging of the research and development of new technologies ...

Oil is not cheaper than solar and wind power in many cases, if you look at any bottom line other than "todays".

Investment in solar and wind power is well worth it from all I have seen, and that list of what I have seen is growing as this is something I am seriously looking at.

We should remove some of these absurd regulations that prohibit industry and private exploration into new technologies, especially regarding natural substances such as hemp.

Have you seen the ridiculous "UN proposal" for Hemp and Marijuana eradication?

This is so stupid it is would be akin to shooting oneself in the face, and expecting good to come of it.