Register (it's free)
Volconvo Debate Forums
Advertise Here »
Browse ad-free by donating
The Debate Forums Blogs | Donate Register (it's free) Chatroom Search Today's Posts Mark Forums Read  
  Volconvo / Debate Forums / Science & Technology


This topic in Science & Technology is about What is Energy?.

Reply  
 
Thread Tools
Old Nov 22, 2007, 12:27 pm   #1 (permalink) (top)
anak
Molten Ash
 
Posts: 28
What is Energy?

Nothing comes from nothing, therefore god exists?

What is energy, where does it come from?

How does a nuclear reaction stop?

Thank you for you time.
anak is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 26, 2007, 10:21 am   #2 (permalink) (top)
Rainbow
Volcanic Erupter
 
Posts: 2,978
Quote:
Quote by: anak View Post
Nothing comes from nothing, therefore god exists?

What is energy, where does it come from?

How does a nuclear reaction stop?
#1
Whatever form He exists.
(The structure of atom is the answer.)

#2
Energy is the result of process of friction.

#3
You are welcome to become a "pioneer" and complete that task :-)))
Rainbow is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 26, 2007, 05:09 pm   #3 (permalink) (top)
gankelrelyt
Sedimentary Rock
 
Posts: 6
Energy is the same thing as mass.

E = mc^2
gankelrelyt is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Nov 26, 2007, 07:24 pm   #4 (permalink) (top)
Suburbanite
BANNED
 
Location: Los Angeles
Posts: 3,203
Energy means a thousand different things. Energy sometimes refers to simple electricity. Other times, its some weird new ages spiritual thing "my energy went perfect with his energy and now we're soul mates". Also, the really cool metaphysical description, the e=mc2 thing, protons electrons waves explosions, all that dope stuff.
But substantially, what are we talking about? No Idea!
Suburbanite is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 15, 2007, 10:54 pm   #5 (permalink) (top)
Athena
Iconoclast
 
Posts: 5,077
Energy can be found in a number of different forms. It can be chemical energy, electrical energy, heat (thermal energy), light (radiant energy), mechanical energy, and nuclear energy. Plants turn light energy into sugars which anaimals can then use as energy for sustaining their own lives, and plant energy can be released by flames and used for cooking. I don't think this is a complete definition of what energy is, but it gives us some thoughts we can use in the effort to understand energy.

And here is another way of thinking of energy. There are two kinds of energy. Stored energy is called potential energy, and moving energy is called kinetic energy.

At the moment I regret I didn't buy the book I was looking at that explains energy. I was looking for a book that explains the right spin of high and left spin of low pressure, but couldn't find exactly what I was looking for. However, some physics books were very tempting. we can not understand energy without also a good understanding of physics.

I object to the term light energy, because space is black as night. Visible light is the result of radiation from the sun passing through our atmosphere, making light a reaction, a verb, not a thing, a noun. Which makes the question, what is energy, a very interesting question.
Athena is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2007, 11:20 am   #6 (permalink) (top)
Nemiroff
Igneous Magma
 
Posts: 354
I'm pretty sure light is colored and visible outside our atmosphere. Our atmosphere may change the wavelength/color due to interference, but light is due to electrons absorbing energy and jumping to a higher energy level, eventually releasing it, dropping back to their regular level, and producing a ohpyon or 2 of a certain wavelength.

As for what energy is, energy is power. Electrical energy allows us to power up electrical devices. Eating gives us the power (energy) to move and do things. That's the best way I can describe it without using energy in the definiton
Nemiroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2007, 01:04 pm   #7 (permalink) (top)
adam10312
Grand Champion
 
Location: New York City
Posts: 107
Energy is the ability to do work.
adam10312 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2007, 03:16 pm   #8 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH
Volcanic Erupter
 
ZNFYRH's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,375
Kudos, adam10312.

There should be a distinction, then, between energy and potential energy.

Because, technically, there is energy in everything. The names assigned are how that energy is released.


IT'S A BOY!!

ZNFYRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 19, 2007, 04:45 pm   #9 (permalink) (top)
gr8fuldaniel
Fire the Liars
 
gr8fuldaniel's Avatar
 
Location: California
Posts: 7,090
Quote:
Source



by Thaddeus Golas, 1972


[ Contents | Next Chapter ]



CHAPTER ONE
Who Are We?
We are equal beings and the universe is our relations with each other. The universe is made of one kind of entity: each one is alive, each determines the course of his own existence.

That is really all you need to know to understand this book or write your own. Everything I say has its roots in that first paragraph, and it is possible to resolve any question by going back to it and thinking it through for yourself.

The universe is made of one kind of whatever-it-is, which cannot be defined. For our purpose, it isn't necessary to try to define it. All we need to do is assume that there is only one kind of whatever-it-is, and see if it leads to a reasonable explanation for the world as we know it.

The basic function of each being is expanding and contracting. Expanded beings are permeative; contracted beings are dense and impermeative. Therefore each of us, alone or in combination, may appear as space, energy, or mass, depending on the ratio of expansion to contraction chosen, and what kind of vibrations each of us expresses by alternating expansion and contraction. Each being controls his own vibrations.

A completely expanded being is space. Since expansion is permeative, we can be in the "same space" with one or more other expanded beings. In fact, it is possible for all the entities in the universe to be one space.

We experience expansion as awareness, comprehension, understanding, or whatever we wish to call it. When we are completely expanded, we have a feeling of total awareness, of being one with all life. At that level we have no resistance to any vibrations or interactions of other beings. It is timeless bliss, with unlimited choice of consciousness, perception, and feeling.

Space is a level of experience that any of us can reach, but it is difficult to talk about on our present plane precisely because it is unlimited. It is that which chooses limits and makes definitions. We might say: all experiences are available to the One Mind, and the One Mind is all of us or any of us at the highest level of expansion. Or we might theorize: God could not create anything more limited than Himself that would persist, but if He duplicates Himself, He can enjoy a persistent universe. Each entity, therefore, is a duplicate of God, "made in His image."

It doesn't matter what words we use: we exist and the universe exists, and it is possible to test this expansion-contraction idea within the limited scope of what is real to us as human beings, especially in atomic and sub-atomic studies.

When a being is totally contracted, he is a mass particle, completely imploded. To the degree that he is contracted, a being is unable to be in the same space with others, so contraction is felt as fear, pain, unconsciousness, ignorance, hatred, evil, and a whole host of strange feelings. At an extreme he has the feeling of being completely insane, of resisting everyone and everything, of being unable to choose the content of his consciousness. Of course, these are just the feelings appropriate to mass vibration levels, and he can get out of them at any time by expanding, by letting go of all resistance to what he thinks, sees, or feels.

When a being is alternating expansion and contraction, he is energy. My guess is that at the middle point, fifty percent expansion and fifty percent contraction, a being would be logical, non-subjective, egoless, and predictable. This may be the "zero" which is one side of energy equations in physics, as well as the "ego-death" we go through in expanding to higher levels of awareness.

More.... (in fact, the whole book is posted here)
also, the best definition of stored energy can be found in Thom Hartmanns book, "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight"
gr8fuldaniel is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 20, 2007, 11:24 am   #10 (permalink) (top)
Athena
Iconoclast
 
Posts: 5,077
Quote:
Quote by: Nemiroff View Post
I'm pretty sure light is colored and visible outside our atmosphere. Our atmosphere may change the wavelength/color due to interference, but light is due to electrons absorbing energy and jumping to a higher energy level, eventually releasing it, dropping back to their regular level, and producing a ohpyon or 2 of a certain wavelength.

As for what energy is, energy is power. Electrical energy allows us to power up electrical devices. Eating gives us the power (energy) to move and do things. That's the best way I can describe it without using energy in the definiton
If you were to stand on the moon and look at the sun, the sky would be black like in a darkness of a cave, and the white would appear white, not yellow. Light is not visible light unless it enteracts with something.

And to really make this fun, we can see with our tongue. The question of what is energy gets very interesting when we question how our brains precieve what we see, hear and smell. I am not sure how we should classify this energy?

Last edited by Athena; Dec 20, 2007 at 11:47 am.
Athena is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 20, 2007, 11:42 am   #11 (permalink) (top)
Athena
Iconoclast
 
Posts: 5,077
Quote:
Quote by: gr8fuldaniel View Post
also, the best definition of stored energy can be found in Thom Hartmanns book, "The Last Hours of Ancient Sunlight"
Your post is awesome! I can so relate to it. I have expereinced that state of consciousness where everything is that one thing. I have a sense that death is letting go of my earthly, limited consciousness, that is the result of my condensed form, and being one with the one.

You know how sometimes someone puts into a words, what we are thinking, but can't quite put into words ourselves? Your post is like that for me. The concept is very Hindu, and I like this understanding of God, much better the Judo-Christian-Islamic concept of the humanized God of Abraham.
Athena is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 20, 2007, 11:45 am   #12 (permalink) (top)
Athena
Iconoclast
 
Posts: 5,077
Quote:
Quote by: ZNFYRH View Post
Kudos, adam10312.

There should be a distinction, then, between energy and potential energy.

Because, technically, there is energy in everything. The names assigned are how that energy is released.
There is a distinction. It is potential energy or kinetic energy.
Athena is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 20, 2007, 02:24 pm   #13 (permalink) (top)
ZNFYRH
Volcanic Erupter
 
ZNFYRH's Avatar
 
Posts: 4,375
Kinetic energy is a type of energy.

Technically, kinetic energy is nothing more than the potential energy of an object, plus the increased potential due to motion.

Where I think you need to be corrected, Athena, is that every single piece of matter has energy. A sheet of paper has stored energy.

What matters is how you release the energy.

There is energy in copper. Stretch the piece of copper and you have wire. Attach that copper wire to a battery, and you what you have is a release of the energy in the battery, through the medium of the wire, into an electrical release of energy.


IT'S A BOY!!

ZNFYRH is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 26, 2007, 02:48 am   #14 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep
Kuldeep
 
Location: Bhopa, M.P, India
Posts: 1,641
Basic Energy is Universal Consciousness !!!

Energy !!! ????

As many others have also defined energy from physics and logic point of view, I may sum up that said till now as:

i) Energy exists in all the basic elements making those to form variuos/innumerable universal materilas. Thus, sub-atomic structures are the root source of energy as pointed out mainly by ZNFYRH....Question remains where from atoms get energy, particularly electrons for spinning and revolution !!!!

ii) Energy is capacity to work or, power to walk, talk and move. Also it is capacity to think, feel, see, smell and hear as rightly pointed out by Athena.

iii) Energy is the power for expansion and contraction of various entities as given by gr8fuldaniel extending the process to mind and awareness in addition to physical atoms and electronic structures.

Now, my view on the topic of Basic Energy:

Energy which we try to imagine / conceive is the power and factually the root cause of whole universe both in the physical sense as well as meta-physical sense. The power (energy) behind the physical movement of electrons in variuos elemental atoms and The power (energy) behind the meta-physical initiatiation of development of Ego / thought (feeling of existence as something), which in turn activates physical mind/brain to make all sorts of sensory fuctions pointed out by Athena; are basically ONE. You may term it as UNIVERSAL CONSCIOUSNESS, which is a property of SOMETHING beyond conception either through physical or meta-physical means !!! This SOMETHING I am terming GOD

In other words, that basic energy is what with which you make your emotions fuction in the mind can be termed as Individual Consciousness. While; the basic energy with which elctrons in atoms move is Universal Consciousness !! No not at all...
Kuldeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 26, 2007, 10:38 am   #15 (permalink) (top)
Nemiroff
Igneous Magma
 
Posts: 354
"If you were to stand on the moon and look at the sun, the sky would be black like in a darkness of a cave, and the white would appear white, not yellow. Light is not visible light unless it enteracts with something"

As I said, light may change color after hitting the atmosphere, but it is definetely visible before that. I remember reading that outside the atmosphere, despite the lack of interference, space looks more empty. That is because the earth's gravity pulls the light coming at it and compresses it, making space look more busy.

Here's the key part tho, when your standing on the moon, space looks mostly black with few stars because all the light from those stars is spread out all across space instead of being compessed to fit in the night sky. The light is sill visible. UV, X-ray, and infared (the invisible lights) rarely if ever become visible in the atmosphere
Nemiroff is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Dec 26, 2007, 06:40 pm   #16 (permalink) (top)
chrisphd
Chrisphd
 
chrisphd's Avatar
 
Posts: 163
#2 Energy is the ability to do work. (Eg. An object with kinetic energy that undergoes a collision, produces a force and therefore work {Work = Force times displacement}, and potential energy has the ability to do work obviously)

#3. A nuclear chain reaction takes place as a result of atoms being bombarded with neutron, followed by the atoms breaking down, releasing energy along with more neutrons which bombard the next atoms in the series which continues the reaction. It is therefore stopped by inserting control rods of a certain material which absorb neutrons and consequently stop the chain reaction.
chrisphd is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 1, 2008, 08:35 pm   #17 (permalink) (top)
iahag
Skeptic of Skeptics
 
Location: Bristol/Plymouth
Posts: 219
I suggest you read Feynman Lectures Vol 1. There is a chapter in there with a very intriguing introduction to energy and the conservation of it.

From a broader more godly sort of view point, I'd say energy is the Potential to make a Change. The more energy you have the more doors are open to you to do stuff:

Knock an electron out of its potential well
Stop a train
Blow up the earth
Blow up the universe
Slow the explansion of the universe
Reverse the expansion of the universe

If I think of a better generalisation of energy Ill let you know. Very deep subject.


The more painless an exercise, the more likely you are of doing it. The more painful an exercise, the more likely you are of learning from it.
iahag is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 3, 2008, 06:46 am   #18 (permalink) (top)
scofield
Sedimentary Rock
 
scofield's Avatar
 
Location: UK
Posts: 7
Here's my two-cents worth:

I think it's fair to say that energy is one of the very core properties of the universe, and as such we need to consider it in relation to the other core properties, because all things are defined in each other, not alone.

The most basic elements you can have are Infinity and Nothingness. Inbetween that duo you have another set, this time including Space and Time. Further inside that you have another set; Matter and Energy.

Each of these pairs of things is a pair of opposites, but you need to fully understand the meaning and implications of 'opposite' in this context. The thing we often fail to recognise about opposites is that they are also equals, being opposite extremes of the same thing. For example, hot and cold both relate to temperature, fast and slow both relate to speed, love and hate to emotion, and so on.

The other important thing to note is that every extreme has an opposite extreme, because it is by the opposite that it is defined. One cannot exist without the other. Space, without time, is a single point, just as time, without space, is a single moment. Combine the two and we have space-time, every point and every moment distinct from every other.

But an empty point in space and an eventless moment of time is effectively equivalent to non-existence. Thus space-time as we experience it depends on matter and energy.

Matter could not exist without energy, just as energy could not exist without matter. In a similar way to how space relates to points of location and time to points of time, matter relates to degrees of substance, and energy relates to degrees of motion.

Now the other thing to remember is that which Einstein pointed out: everything is relative. Motion is relative, and it is equally possible for one particle to be at rest relative to another moving quickly, or for the fast moving particle to consider that it is at rest and the other particle is the one moving.

Either way, what we have is an overall consistency of relative motion, and motion is the product of substance and energy combined.

Everything above is interrelated, and a given thing 'exists' to the degree that it interacts. In other words, a particle which does not interact or move, effectively ceases to exist relative to everything else. Energy is required for motion, substance is required for the energy to have something to move, space is required for the substance to have somewhere to go to, and time is required to seperate the moments from when it was in one place to when it reaches another place.

In other words, energy is one piece of the puzzle that is the very fabric of the universe in which we find ourselves cast. Make sense?!
scofield is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 4, 2008, 06:50 am   #19 (permalink) (top)
Kuldeep
Kuldeep
 
Location: Bhopa, M.P, India
Posts: 1,641
Quote:
Quote by: scofield
In other words, energy is one piece of the puzzle that is the very fabric of the universe in which we find ourselves cast. Make sense?
Definitely it makes sense!!!

That energy as explained by me in my last post no. # 14is Universal Consciousness !!!
Kuldeep is offline   Reply With Quote
Old Jan 5, 2008, 06:35 am   #20 (permalink) (top)
scofield
Sedimentary Rock
 
scofield's Avatar
 
Location: UK
Posts: 7
Kuldeep,

I think it's probably worth bringing in here what I said to you in my PM about energy. Like I said, I can't see a reason to equate the soul with energy, which is a physical phenomenon.

If you recall, you mentioned the question of how/where electrons get their energy... this is my response...

Quote:
Quote by: scofield
The energy in an electron comes from magnetism. Basically, electricity and magnetism are one of these co-dependant pairs. A moving magnetic field creates electricity, just as the motion of electricity creates a magnetic field. Each creates, and cannot exist without, the other.

There are pairs just like this at all levels, such as Infinity and Nothingness. Down from that you have space and time, and down further you have matter and energy. Just as time and space are interchangable concepts, so are matter and energy. As you correctly stated, you simply cannot have matter without energy, but likewise you simply cannot have energy without matter.

I see no reason to equate the soul with energy. Energy is a physical property of the universe, the soul is not. Neither is the soul subject to the physical laws of the universe. Energy is.

The universe, being finite, has very definite rules about separation, in that everything is separate. No two things can be in the same space unless they are there at different times. Everything is seperated either by space or by time.

The soul is subject to quite opposite rules. A soul is more about 'oneness' than about separation. A soul does not have a definite location, a soul can be part of a greater consciousness while still being an individual, a soul does not take up space and is not subject to the laws of time.

A soul is will, choice, volition, it is the ability to create an effect instead of being an effect. Nothing in the material, physical universe can initiate an effect. Not an MMM, not even a pebble.

You've probably many times heard the concept of cause and effect, this is equivalent to you (cause) and the universe (effect).

Now on that basis I would agree that nothing would exist without life (cause). Similarly, while life is certainly all-pervasive, I don't believe there is any ability in non-living things to cause anything. An atom is little more than a billiard ball being bounced around the table when something with life caused it to.
scofield is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Bookmarks

Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are Off


All times are GMT -4. The time now is 02:57 am.

Sponsors (become a sponsor)
UK Car Insurance, Beauty Salon, Coach Handbags, Miele Vacuums, Plus Size Bras, Gambling, Bullhorn, Horses for Sale, Ventrilo Server, liquid vitamins, weight loss, Smiley Central, Monetise your website, Ventrilo Server, Dyson Vacuums, Hydroponics & Grow Lights, Offshore banking, beauty salons, Offshore banking, Connecticut Electric Rate, Retail Electric Providers Cirro Energy, LasVegas Vacations, Web Design, homes in hudson, Affordable Web Hosting, Texas Electric Rate Cirro Energy, Security Audit, Guy Factor, Gun Forums, Loans Mortgages Mortgages Loans Mortgages
Powered by vBulletin Version 3.7.1 Copyright ©2000 - 2008, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
Search Engine Optimization by vBSEO 3.0.0

© 2003–2008 Volconvo.com

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9