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![]() Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724 | Nearly one-third of primates in danger of extinction, conservationists say Nearly one-third of primates in danger of extinction, conservationists say Quote:
Do you even bother to solve the problem? Survival of the fittest they say. Who is to say certain species are not supposed to become extinct to open up for new ones? Like how other similar divisions of a species ended up dieing off due to a stronger one, what if all the other primates were branches of us and we were all suppose to evolve and the best one makes it? Apparently we won the evolutional trial compared to them, so are they still required to be saved from extinction? The world doesn't stay the same forever. | |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,999 | Here's a discussion that might add to this: Quote:
The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) | |
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![]() Mass'Debator Posts: 4,724 | The funny thing that I have noticed, is that throughout time, the creatures of Earth have always had to adapt to their enviroments. Now humans are adapting the enviroment to our needs.... and instead of the rest of the animals trying to adapt to nature, they now have to adapt to the Nature in which we are creating. |
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| Principled Observer Location: Toledo, Ohio Posts: 13,873 | WE can prevent extinction, but we can't necessarily maintain existing population numbers, or ever put them back into their natural enviroment. This could be seen as the "humanz wuz here!" grafitti on the proverbial wall of shame, but things could change if people en masse, actually woke up. Its easier than ever to wake up, thanks to the internet, but people still are figuring out how to use it to do just that. Petition of Redress of Grievances: http://www.givemeliberty.org/default.htm Canadian Lawsuit Against Their National Banks: http://www.freewebs.com/classaction/ Osborn F. Enready |
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| Liberated thinker Location: New Mexican Alps Posts: 1,981 | A simple statement is appropriate? Which should give way the bark beetle or the human who also needs the bark for pulp? In a round about way that explains the problem. I read somewhere(Wicki) that..... A typical species becomes extinct within 10 million years of its first appearance, although some species, called living fossils, survive virtually unchanged for hundreds of millions of years. Only one in a thousand species that have existed remain today. It seems that "nature" (climate change, competition for resources and space, etc) rules. Obviously humankind with its capacity for reason has an advantage in the struggle for species existence. But should we curtail our needs to accomodate other species? Should we not use timber because the spotted owl nests in the forest? Thus we play the fools with the time, and the spirits of the wise sit in the clouds and mock us. |
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| formerly Isherwood Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 12,999 | Too often humans don't just use, we abuse. We give no thought to sustainability. We denude forests without reforestation, then the soil washes away during subsequent rains. We have no connection to the planet (I say thanks to our superstitions that place us above nature instead of realizing we're a part of it) so we don't consider or don't understand how we impact it. The Forum Rules Radical Atheist Heathen Queer Let's agree to respect each others views, no matter how wrong yours may be. (Ashleigh Brilliant) |
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| Volcanic Erupter Posts: 8,663 | Cows, chickens, and domestic pets are clearly not in danger of vanishing, because humans become dependant upon them (for food or other reasons). If the monkey is used for food or other marketing purposes the best way to insure it's survivial is by teaching people how to raise them in farming situations, hopefully with the proper environments for the farming projects being included in the program, in a controlled farming situations the keepers would make sure that enough reproduce in order to insure a continued supply for the furture of that business. However if those monkeys remain unlawful to market then the less logical underground 'black market" takes over and they are more distructive because they do not plan nor insure breeding and reproduction in thier activities, as we now do for cattle, horses, and other such species of animals. The minks in Amreica nearly vanished due to the use of their fur to make expensive fur coats. But then people started mink farms where they raise minks for marketing purposes, soon no one bothered to go to the touble to hunt or trap them in the wild anymore, and now those that survived in the wild have become common place again and are no longer endangered, due to private sector interests and activities. Those who grow and harvest pine trees do the same thing by planting new trees for future crops. Especially relative to Christmas Trees. One of the most important reasons to preserve the rainforested areas of the world is because they contain many plants that we have not even fully discovered nor tested for their potential medical uses in curing illnesses. If the major drug companies of he world were smart they would get on the bandwagon to buy up rainforests and to support their preservation to safeguard furture discoveries of cures contained in the saps, herbs, and so forth that those forested areas surely contain. As the current uses for that landspace or the wood is less important because we can recycle and can use plastics or other materials for furnature and so forth. Governments should get involved in the land managment and conservation of such areas so that the private sector can mastermind programs intelligently where things do not vanish but are allowed to reproduce so that future supplies do not become lost simply for temporary purposes. Nature is like our "bank account" or family budget, and if we get overdrawn we cannot survive economically. Control of climate changes due to over useage is very important to many areas and the banking industry knows this and they have even taken steps to promote such conservation of forested areas. The spotted owl by the is learning to survive by using man made structures for nesting, but we must remember that bugs are part of the food chain and so forth, and so eco-systems must be preserved as much as possible via intelligent harvesting procedures. Humans got brains and should use them to promote wisdom and not just charge ahead totally motivated by greed for a fast buck, such foolishness is a threat to the future of our own speicies. We cannot overfish the oceans and expect it to continue to supply us with needed things in the future, we must allow for natural refreashing of that resource. If we are wise and not stupid. And our only biological abilty for survival depends on how we use our intelligence, and wisdom and thinking ahead of the game is paramount to that process. It is foolish for the envirnomentalists to just try to block the private business sector, we must educate them and get them on our side by showing them the logic of including conservation in the mix, because it makes good business sense to do so. It is a matter of humans learning to adapt to their own progress and population growth by learning about the importance of protecting the eco-systems they need to continue that progress. It just makes sense, as an anology you do make sure you have enough gas in your car to make it home, and so we should likewise make sure we do not run out of rainforests in our journey through time. Wisdom, that is all we are asking for when it comes to dealing with the environment. |
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